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Speedsters and no Ginn

CarolinaSamurai

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

sure we do.  We have a good clue what CMC has to offer....hence why we drafted him and what we are trying to do with him. 

Samuel wasn't a vertical threat WR in college.  He isn't going to be that guy any time soon and we didn't draft him to be one soon.  People are blaming Shula for not using Samuel in a way he wasn't drafted to be nor even was in college. 

Byrd wasn't a vertical threat prior to injury.  Just being fast doesn't check off enough boxes to be that type WR.  It is definitely a box but only part of the puzzle. 

 

 

 

Im not saying that either are a vertical threat.. How many teams have burners very few in the NFL.. My point is Shula is not designing plays to fit there skillset but tipping his hand whenever he is using them bringing them in sparingly..or just out thinking himself like using stew to run laterally.It just does not make since.. True Ginn had speed but for every 2 he caught he dropped 3. You mean to tell me that these 3wrs can not make up his production..or is it that what they drafted were not good. Its either one or the other ..Either way the empty plate is their fault. I believe it is shula and ron holding these players back with poor decisions and play designs. Maybe Cam is right it takes time not instant grits but my God the water is boiling.

 

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2 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Im not saying that either are a vertical threat.. How many teams have burners very few in the NFL.. My point is Shula is not designing plays to fit there skillset but tipping his hand whenever he is using them bringing them in sparingly..or just out thinking himself like using stew to run laterally.It just does not make since.. True Ginn had speed but for every 2 he caught he dropped 3. You mean to tell me that these 3wrs can not make up his production..or is it that what they drafted were not good. Its either one or the other ..Either way the empty plate is their fault. I believe it is shula and ron holding these players back with poor decisions and play designs. Maybe Cam is right it takes time not instant grits but my God the water is boiling.

 

How many teams run a vertical pass attack and don't have legit vertical threats?  I mean obviously Carolina is one that keeps repeating the pattern.  I can't think of another that runs that scheme and didn't have someone legit in that role.  Legit doesn't mean having a Randy Moss.  Ted Ginn Jr sucks but at least legitimately fills the role and was proven in it. 

Samuel missed virtually all offseason.  Literally just got suited up a week ago.  It is Shula's fault he isn't ready to wow?  

CMC is has been the most gameplanned against Panther this season.  Facing 8/9 team men in the pace all hyper focused on him behind bad run blocking.  Yet he still manages to lead all rookies in catches and receiving yards.  

Shula isn't great but the past few years people act like any decent OC should be able to scheme away all a teams issues.   When your O is built to run the ball and throw deep and you lack the bodies?  That isn't really an OC issue first and foremost.  Shula is what he is.  That is a roster issue.   Roster issue that makes it hard on a guy who basically is only good at doing the couple things he does. 

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42 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

DeSean Jackson, Andrew Whitworth.

2 guys that were there for the taking this past offseason that would’ve solved a lot of problems for us

But Gettlemagic

Wow someone gave you the Gettlemagic symbol of success...representing 

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

How many teams run a vertical pass attack and don't have legit vertical threats?  I mean obviously Carolina is one that keeps repeating the pattern.  I can't think of another that runs that scheme and didn't have someone legit in that role.  Legit doesn't mean having a Randy Moss.  Ted Ginn Jr sucks but at least legitimately fills the role and was proven in it. 

Samuel missed virtually all offseason.  Literally just got suited up a week ago.  It is Shula's fault he isn't ready to wow?  

CMC is has been the most gameplanned against Panther this season.  Facing 8/9 team men in the pace all hyper focused on him behind bad run blocking.  Yet he still manages to lead all rookies in catches and receiving yards.  

Shula isn't great but the past few years people act like any decent OC should be able to scheme away all a teams issues.   When your O is built to run the ball and throw deep and you lack the bodies?  That isn't really an OC issue first and foremost.  Shula is what he is.  That is a roster issue.   Roster issue that makes it hard on a guy who basically is only good at doing the couple things he does. 

Im not knocking CMC but lets face it the play designs for him are not very creative neither has Samuels. Him being injured I get but he is playing now. If there are 8 men in the box be creative in the passing game stop running straight up the middle..Shula knows teams game plan against the run its no secrets how many articles have been written by the opponents. Isnt that what football is taking away what a team does best. We are not 1 dimensional we have dual threat QB and you got quick receivers and jump ball receivers use them. Look at the chiefs, pats, cowboys, not every team has a true vertical threat, nor a great line..but what most of them have are good qbs and OCs...We are missing an OC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yeah... 

Addressing needs with legit players... what a stupid suggestion.

Don’t bother quoting me and wasting anymore of my time, thanks.

You spend more time in the past than the dinosaurs.

Just because you wanted Deshaun Jackson or someone else. DOES NOT mean anyone else did or the team did. 

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2 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

You spend more time in the past than the dinosaurs.

Just because you wanted Deshaun Jackson or someone else. DOES NOT mean anyone else did or the team did. 

You’re so eager to try and “burn” me that you completely miss the point.

Get smarter.

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3 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

Im not knocking CMC but lets face it the play designs for him are not very creative neither has Samuels. Him being injured I get but he is playing now. If there are 8 men in the box be creative in the passing game stop running straight up the middle..Shula knows teams game plan against the run its no secrets how many articles have been written by the opponents. Isnt that what football is taking away what a team does best. We are not 1 dimensional we have dual threat QB and you got quick receivers and jump ball receivers use them. Look at the chiefs, pats, cowboys, not every team has a true vertical threat, nor a great line..but what most of them have are good qbs and OCs...We are missing an OC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly! We can't cover up deficiencies with good play design alone but many teams can make hay from it. That's the big difference is most OC try to plan with missing pieces in mind. Shula seems to do the same things no matter what we are struggling with. All those wasted first downs running down the middle for no gain or a loss. We waste so many downs because Shula is unwilling to adjust to his opponent and it's a big problem. He has the talent to really change things but he refuses. I hate it. 

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Ted is a once in a decade speed/football player. He's been eye catching since college. Not the sharpest knife in the shed or the best route runner but he's a dangerous dangerous man w the ball in his hands or running toward the end zone.

Byrd has eliteeeeeee quickness and speed but we give the 23 year old a chance once every 7 months. Hope we throw him out there more when he gets back.

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