Speedsters and no Ginn

[CRA]

On 10/13/2017 at 10:51 AM, CarolinaSamurai said:

Why arnt we using them? We have Byrd and Samuel but I have seen us continue to throw big passes to KB, and Funch. Sure they can jump ball it but they arnt going to burn thier man running down field. With Ginn we had plays that gave him chances to beat his man down field with speed. 

What happened to those plays? I keep seeing is going for YAC, screens, end arounds, fakes. Yet zero Ginn plays. These guys are so fast why in the world arnt we taking advantage of it. 

Dont tell me they can't catch it they've not even attempted to go long to them. We keep going long to Funch, or Benji two guys who will never run faster than the guys covering them. 

I really can't understand why we haven't done this yet. That 3rd down pass to Benji we're it was picked off? Yeah that should of been to Samuel or Byrd and both of them woulda easily outran thier man. 

NFL rosters and practice squads are full of dudes with raw speed and plenty of guys don’t have jobs despite having raw speed.  Just being fast isn’t good enough.

need to be able to run routes well and have football speed.  One of our guys is a rookie who missed most of camp and wasn’t even an overly great lure college WR.   He isn’t going to be able to take the top of defenses this year....neither is Byrd IMO.  Neither are good of enough WRs at this level yet 

[Darvinsun]

Byrd runs good routes..He plays well when given opportunity however he broke his arm just when they started using him. But Shula is a gadget OC he does not know how to call a complere game..I think Cam knows this and this is why he sold out on the dive and reinhured the shoulder..we have good talent but they arent being used right.

[rico6]

On 10/13/2017 at 11:18 AM, Proudiddy said:

Its bc people dont want to admit thst Ted, drops and all, was damn good.  He was a better pure WR than anyone else we currently have, and just so happened too have world class speed.  Gettleman was an idiot for letting him walk, AGAIN.

Samuel has speed, but is not a refined receiver and is more of a gadget player right now.

I called Ginn being one of the team's biggest cuts and also doubted Gettleman's ability to just go out and replace him.

 

[pantherclaw]

On 10/13/2017 at 10:17 AM, csx said:

He's not appearing to be what we hoped he would be.

I felt  our fan base repesented on the Huddle, was hypung this kid up from the moment he was drafted. 

Then injured most of OTAs and training camp.  He never stood a chance to be ready when the season begun. 

He also isn't on the same page as Cam.

[CRA]

On 10/13/2017 at 11:04 AM, sanjay_rajput said:

We need to stop using oversized WR and get some speed , Samuel can do it but he needs more opportunities 

Samuel ain’t a pure WR.  He can’t be a Ginn (and Ginn ain’t great)....at least not yet.  

Samuel has more potential to a Tavon Austin type WR (not a field stretcher)

[AggieLean]

Is Byrd coming back this year? Or is he out the season?

[Ken]

None of us can't speak in certainties on Samuel since we have not see him enough to go either way. He has been hurt and the are clearly integrating him slowly into the offense. Whether that is because he can't do it or they are just being cautious is something only the coaches knows at this point.

If he's healthy for the rest of the season and he still hasn't given the opportunities to stretch the field, then we can try to analyze his abilities/coaching deficiencies. As of the now the sample size is way too small to have a proper discussion on him other than hot takes.

[Udogg]

On 10/13/2017 at 10:57 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

I know Samuel is fast, but he doesn't seem to be getting the type of downfield separation that Ginn did in the handful of times that we've sent him deep. 

Ginn has a different type of speed.  Ginn is probably still 1 of the top 15 fastest players in the league and that's with losing a step.  

[imminent rogaine]

On ‎10‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 3:32 PM, thomas96 said:

Are you guys serious here? Ted Ginn has been terribly inconsistent for the Aints this year, just like he has been his entire career. It came down to money and he definitely is not worth what they're paying him with his inconsistencies. Samuel is going to be much better once he gets rolling.

I'm with you. And people are talking about how the panthers messed up by letting him leave to Arizona the first time? There would have been pitchforks outside of BOA if we had matched that contract. I have no issue with him walking this time either. The guy is 32, still can't catch, and has proven that he is utterly worthless on any team that is not the Carolina Panthers.  We were trying to make a concerted effort this off sesason to not get Cam killed. That included bringing in a veteran tackle, drafting a tackle, and drafting two guys that should be able to get open on short/quick routes. 

[Bartin]

8 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

has proven that he is utterly worthless on any team that is not the Carolina Panthers

Ginn is on pace for for 678 yards and 6 TDs. That's comparable to any of his seasons for the Panthers. His three years in Carolina he had 556 yards and 5 TDs, 739 yards and 10 TDs and 752 yards and 4 TDs. 

[imminent rogaine]

Instead of deep shots to Samuel, I'd really like to see more screens with decent blocking or just some of those smoke routes that Smitty used to get.

[imminent rogaine]

2 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Ginn is on pace for for 678 yards and 6 TDs. That's comparable to any of his seasons for the Panthers. His three years in Carolina he had 556 yards and 5 TDs, 739 yards and 10 TDs and 752 yards and 4 TDs. 

True and he may well do that, as he probably should with Payton and Brees. Until that happens, the bulk of his success has come in a panther uni. I think he had one decent year in Miami early in his career. Other than that he has been garbage.

 

[Udogg]

21 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Ginn is on pace for for 678 yards and 6 TDs. That's comparable to any of his seasons for the Panthers. His three years in Carolina he had 556 yards and 5 TDs, 739 yards and 10 TDs and 752 yards and 4 TDs. 

Ginn is like a hidden stat.  It wasn't what necessarily his numbers, it what he caused other defenses to do.  You almost mandatorily had to have safety help over the top.  Thus when running to Ginn's side you didn't have that safety 7 yards from the line like we do now.   There is no one that garners that type of coverage for us now at the moment. 

[luke262]

Maybe they still have been wanting to not push samuels hamstring too much up to this point