Meeks/Fox Defensive Co.

[Peppers90 NC]

If this is true then it suggests that Fox was the one running the defense the first half of last year. Then during the bye that's when we started hearing about Fox and Turdo getting together and adjusting the playbook. Then after the bye, Fox let's Turdo take control, but he fails miserably. This year Fox took a different approach and let Meeks run the defense first this year, but he's failing as well. If all of that is true, Fox is a better DC than a Head Coach.

I don't want Fox as the Head Coach, but it would be nice if he could step down and accept the DC role while we get a new head coach after this year assuming all of the above is true of course. However, I dont know of many instances of Head Coaches stepping down and accepting a Coordinator job with the same team =\

wow how do you get that interpretation?

[KillerKat]

wow how do you get that interpretation?

My question is why didn't Fox take back control after Turdo was failing miserably? And why hasn't he taken control sooner this year? This also makes me wonder that if he really does let the coordinators have free reign, why choose Meeks who was the coordinator of one of the worst defenses in football? The answer to that before Dan posted this was to be a yes man, but what Dan has said really makes Fox look dumber for choosing him. There's also many other things wrong with this team that points to coaching which is why I don't want him as head coach anymore.

[Peppers90 NC]

i think youre the first person I've seen that thought that Trgo was restricted before the bye and not after. You may be right, but what has been said is that Fox started putting more input in on the defense AFTER the bye.

[KillerKat]

i think youre the first person I've seen that thought that Trgo was restricted before the bye and not after. You may be right, but what has been said is that Fox started putting more input in on the defense AFTER the bye.

Yeah which is why Im not believing 100% that the defense is better when Fox takes over.

[KillerKat]

wow how do you get that interpretation?

Oh and sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic here, but after re-reading your latest response I see that I was wrong.

The reason I was saying Fox might've restricted Turgo before the bye is because Dan said the defense is better when Fox takes control. The defense was better the first half of last year than the last half, but reports have said Fox put his say in the defense after the bye which is when it went down hill. So I'm not sure if Dan is right.

[God]

Did you not read Gantts article? The whole reason Trgovac left was because he was tired of Fox interfering with his D.

[CRA]

That's BS. Even after that Giants game, all three of those guys were playing hurt. Hell, Beason and Lewis were both playing with basically one good arm and Nick Hayden was still playing a lot of snaps. They still played well against Denver the week after the Giants game anyway, and the only other regular season games that they gave up a lot of points in, were the Green Bay and Saints games, which were both on the road.

I keep hearing that it started right after the bye, but that's BS too. They played Oakland right after the bye and the defense and DeAngelo Williams pretty much won that game despite a sorry day by the offense.

No, Carolina had overall an extremely heathly defense last season. You do realize the Giants game was week 16?!?!

week 11 - 22 to the crappy Lions

12 - 45 to Atlanta

13 - 31 to GB

14- 23 to Tampa

[monstercat]

No, Carolina had overall an extremely heathly defense last season. You do realize the Giants game was week 16?!?!

week 11 - 22 to the crappy Lions

12 - 45 to Atlanta

13 - 31 to GB

14- 23 to Tampa

Well, 22 and 23 points is not that bad, and they still beat Green Bay and shut down Denver late in the year. They weren't nearly as bad as people keep saying, and they played great defense in the first game after the bye last year.

Shoot, I've only seen a small handful of NFL defenses in my lifetime that went 16 games without giving up a lot of points in at least 2-3 of them.

[CRA]

Well, 22 and 23 points is not that bad, and they still beat Green Bay and shut down Denver late in the year. They weren't nearly as bad as people keep saying, and they played great defense in the first game after the bye last year.

Shoot, I've only seen a small handful of NFL defenses in my lifetime that went 16 games without giving up a lot of points in at least 2-3 of them.

7 out of the last 9 games of the season they gave up more than 21 points.

last time they let 7 teams score that many points in a season was 06 and they didn't give up the 7th game of 21+ points until the last game of the season.

[AKPantherFan]

giving up 30 points and 300yards a game is terrible.

That was the last 7 games of last season....

This season lets look; brb

[AKPantherFan]

this season so far;

29 points a game and 362 yards a game...

so poo hasent changed

[monstercat]

giving up 30 points and 300yards a game is terrible.

That was the last 7 games of last season....

This season lets look; brb

Yeah, but it was only 3 games that really put that average so high, and they were playing with injuries for at least 4 of those games, whether you guys believe it or not. Jon Beason even admitted that he was playing with one good arm for most of the second half of the season.

[AKPantherFan]

Yeah, but it was only 3 games that really put that average so high, and they were playing with injuries for at least 4 of those games, whether you guys believe it or not. Jon Beason even admitted that he was playing with one good arm for most of the second half of the season.

so whats the reason for this season?

[Snake]

this season so far;

29 points a game and 362 yards a game...

so sh*t hasent changed

Yea but really we didnt upgrade in the off-season so why should we.