The burden on Cam Newton

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12 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    As I am at home, I don't get to see all that other stuff. All I saw was as he rolled over, he was ready to be helped up. And he was headed to the huddle. Once Time Out was called, he strolled over to the side lines. He never, IMO, looked shaken.

You must've turned your eyes away from the TV for a second. I watched from home too. It was on the TV broadcast. 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    And there you have it. Cam threw himself around the whole game. But yeah, that one play made the difference? C'mon man.

 

    So, what you are saying is, Cam is hurt again. So, our season is lost. Cuz, without Cam, we are sunk.

So a guy whose known around the league for throwing lasers to the point he over throws his receivers all of sudden can’t complete a simple 5 yard pass with it hitting the turf and wobbling out his arm like a duck.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, lightsout said:

You must've turned your eyes away from the TV for a second. I watched from home too. It was on the TV broadcast. 

 

8 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

So a guy whose known around the league for throwing lasers to the point he over throws his receivers all of sudden can’t complete a simple 5 yard pass with it hitting the turf and wobbling out his arm like a duck.

 

    Two perfect examples of folks seeing what they want to see.

 

    Cam diving for that pylon, hurt himself. That is why we lost. How dare you throw the season away like that Cam.

 

    If the Panthers ever let Cam run again....

[iamhubby1]

29 minutes ago, lightsout said:

You misread what I said. I am aware he lays a lot to play possum. This was different. The second they went to review whether or not he got in, he went to the sideline and as soon as he got there, dropped favoring his throwing arm. Something did happen.

 

    I am sorry, but I watched the game. Cam got lots of attention for sure. But we had 2 other drives after that. His arm looked fine for most of those. And that TD Bullet to CmC looked awful good.

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5 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I am sorry, but I watched the game. Cam got lots of attention for sure. But we had 2 other drives after that. His arm looked fine for most of those. And that TD Bullet to CmC looked awful good.

 

I'm not saying Cam recklessly dove and cost us the game by hurting himself. This isn't a case of me seeing what I want to see as other people texted me asking if I thought Cam was ok because they also saw him holding that arm and being attended to. And yes, he still looked good on a lot of throws after that, as I've already pointed out. But he also had some get away from him that weren't getting away from him prior to that point. That's all I'm saying. 

[mrknowitall]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    You seem to sum up the thought process for most folks, so I'll answer you. Yes, this was a funky game. Cam gets his arm hit, INT. Stewy misses a pass, INT. Both in the Red Zone. Both lead to points. 

 

    With all that said. We had the ball twice in the 4th quarter, down by 4, and we did not come back. That is what I am talking about. 

 

    After all the crap that happened.  All we needed was a TD to win. We had 2 shots at it, and we failed both times. Doesn't our MVP type QB deserve some of the blame?

Normally, I would say you’re right about Cam deserving part of the blame (like in the New Orleans game), but Cam was visibly exhausted in the fourth quarter. The passes that he missed in the fourth were because he had no juice left, in my opinion. I wasn’t crazy about the play calling, but Cam was running, diving over piles, had thrown it close to forty times going into the fourth.

I was watching the game, hoping that Cam would come through in the clutch on the last couple of drives, but he had no energy. That’s why it pissed me off that we threw three bombs on the Eagles forty, down four, with three minutes left in the game. Cam makes any of those passes the majority of the time, but Shula and Ron have to be able to see what they’ve put their quarterback through and scheme to get shorter passes to keep the chains moving. He just didn’t have it. Cam played like an MVP the first three quarters, and he played like he was empty the final quarter. 

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, lightsout said:

It's one thing to look to him to do something to spark your team. Some of the other QBs listed are looked to as "getting wins for their teams" type of QBs as well. However, NONE of them are asked to either run or pass 80% of all snaps in the game.

Today was about situational awareness, playcalling, and lack of offensive support for Cam. Simple as that. You cannot expect any QB in this league to run 11 times for 70+ yards and throw 52 times for 225+ yards and get you a win. If that is what you're doing, your team needs to come together and beg that QB for his forgiveness, because it is simply too much.

 

    Hey, I get all that. But what I am saying is, folks expect top QBs to do these things. And Cam didn't. He had two drives to win the game. And we lost.

 

    At what point do we blame the QB? I mean, come back wins. Those are the things legends are made of. Hellz bellz, we almost lost our last two games when QBs almost brought their teams back.

 

    We as Huddlerz hate when we let teams come back on us. But we are fine with our QB not being able to do so?

[iamhubby1]

10 minutes ago, lightsout said:

 

I'm not saying Cam recklessly dove and cost us the game by hurting himself. This isn't a case of me seeing what I want to see as other people texted me asking if I thought Cam was ok because they also saw him holding that arm and being attended to. And yes, he still looked good on a lot of throws after that, as I've already pointed out. But he also had some get away from him that weren't getting away from him prior to that point. That's all I'm saying. 

 

    You are saying Cam may have been less than 100%, I am saying Cam let us down. Between the 2 of us. We have it covered. 

[Donald LaFell]

I hope he finds a team that can get him a ring in his prime, maybe it's the Panthers. Maybe it's not.

[mrknowitall]

4 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Hey, I get all that. But what I am saying is, folks expect top QBs to do these things. And Cam didn't. He had two drives to win the game. And we lost.

 

    At what point do we blame the QB? I mean, come back wins. Those are the things legends are made of. Hellz bellz, we almost lost our last two games when QBs almost brought their teams back.

 

    We as Huddlerz hate when we let teams come back on us. But we are fine with our QB not being able to do so?

Cam has done so though. When the Patriots tied it up two weeks ago, Cam was the one who drove us down the field for a game-winning field goal. At Detroit, after the Lions had slashed our lead to three, Cam was the one who converted a third down that allowed us to run the clock out. Because of Cam, we did come back. We were down by two scores at one point. But asking him to be our only offense is completely different.

[iamhubby1]

11 minutes ago, mrknowitall said:

Normally, I would say you’re right about Cam deserving part of the blame (like in the New Orleans game), but Cam was visibly exhausted in the fourth quarter. The passes that he missed in the fourth were because he had no juice left, in my opinion. I wasn’t crazy about the play calling, but Cam was running, diving over piles, had thrown it close to forty times going into the fourth.

I was watching the game, hoping that Cam would come through in the clutch on the last couple of drives, but he had no energy. That’s why it pissed me off that we threw three bombs on the Eagles forty, down four, with three minutes left in the game. Cam makes any of those passes the majority of the time, but Shula and Ron have to be able to see what they’ve put their quarterback through and scheme to get shorter passes to keep the chains moving. He just didn’t have it. Cam played like an MVP the first three quarters, and he played like he was empty the final quarter. 

 

    Man, I hate to have to do this, but dude. That is the definition of losing it. How can a QB lose it? I mean, hellz, I can throw a hundred passes. Okay, maybe I am simplifying things. But...

 

    Cam is not used to throwing 50+ times a game. By the end of the game, he very well could have been tired. I really hate thinking that, but maybe it is true.

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    You seem to sum up the thought process for most folks, so I'll answer you. Yes, this was a funky game. Cam gets his arm hit, INT. Stewy misses a pass, INT. Both in the Red Zone. Both lead to points. 

 

    With all that said. We had the ball twice in the 4th quarter, down by 4, and we did not come back. That is what I am talking about. 

 

    After all the crap that happened.  All we needed was a TD to win. We had 2 shots at it, and we failed both times. Doesn't our MVP type QB deserve some of the blame?

Not really. The first of said attempts he did everything he could. Somebody has to catch his passes after all. The second attempt, he made some plays but yes, had two bad passes. I think it was evident something was going on whether it’s his shoulder or his hand or what but both passes obviously slipped out of his hand weirdly. Cam did everything he could despite his teammates causing three interceptions, dropping just about half of his passes, and running into brick walls and falling down. No other MVP has had to carry a team like Cam is required to carry us. For the past five or six years Cam has been asked to pretty much be the entire offense. No other MVP has ever had to shoulder that burden. 

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, mrknowitall said:

Cam has done so though. When the Patriots tied it up two weeks ago, Cam was the one who drove us down the field for a game-winning field goal. At Detroit, after the Lions had slashed our lead to three, Cam was the one who converted a third down that allowed us to run the clock out. Because of Cam, we did come back. We were down by two scores at one point. But asking him to be our only offense is completely different.

 

    Once again, I am sorry to say this. But, QBs are all the time asked to do the impossible. If Cam is to be thought of as a MVP, and HOF type QB, these are the games he needs/ should win. 

 

    Hey, I hate saying this. But man, our guy, did not get it done. And our guy, is supposed to be great.

 

    OK, the last two weeks, he has played great. He had everyone fawning over him. Hellz Bellz, we were picked to win, again. And we lost.

 

    There are going to be folks that will rail against the machine. There will be folks that will rail against this, or that. And there will be folks that will put up a stink, saying, oh well, we are good. Wait until next week.

[mrknowitall]

Just now, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Man, I hate to have to do this, but dude. That is the definition of losing it. How can a QB lose it? I mean, hellz, I can throw a hundred passes. Okay, maybe I am simplifying things. But...

 

    Cam is not used to throwing 50+ times a game. By the end of the game, he very well could have been tired. I really hate thinking that, but maybe it is true.

That’s not losing it. This isn’t just throwing fifty passes. This is also rushing eleven times, because you’re the only one who can. This is less than six months from shoulder surgery. This is using all arm on the majority of these passes because there is literally no room in the pocket for you to step into a pass.

Cam is only 28 years old. The dude is as strong as an ox. He’s an incredible athlete, but he exerts more energy in the way he has to play quarterback than maybe any other qb in the league.

There are times when Cam has to take the blame. And he didn’t play a perfect game last night. But he was far and away our best offensive player last night. He was not put in a position to succeed.