Next gen stats - our run blocking is atrocious, Stewart and Mccaffrey are disappointments

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Cmc is a hell of a receiver, converting him full time to wr could be an option, I like the way he is used right now but like I stated before and after the draft he's not worth the top 10 pick lattimore or hooker helps this abysmal secondary out. 

I wasn't a fan of CMC at #8, but what's done is done. Ultimately, I think his best NFL position might be slot receiver. #8 overall is a steep price to pay for a slot receiver, but when you look at guys like Wes Welker who have had 1500+ yard seasons out of the slot, that thought process might evolve over time. That type of production is big time whether it comes from the backfield, split wide, or out of the slot. Who cares? 1500+ yards is a lot of production.

Anyone who wants to go back and look at posts leading up to the draft will see that I was heavily on the Hooker train. I thought he was the best safety in the draft and I would've taken him in a heartbeat but none of that matters a bit now.

[weyco2000]

If he had a damn hole to run through and make it to the second level, who knows? Not to mention lack of creativity on play calls and the lack of push from the OL. 

[Dragoon11]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Last year he had a virtually identical YPC average to Stew. We seem to still view Stew as an elite back. He simply isn't. A guy who we didn't even view as worth of a jersey last year virtually matched Stew's production when actually given a jersey last year. It's past time for us to simply accept that Stew is past his prime just like pretty much every other 30+ year old RB in the NFL and give those opportunities to someone else.

Stew is averaging less than 3ypc on the season at this point. It's time for those carries to start going to someone else and it's time for Shula to start taking a real look in the mirror and evaluating if he's being predictable with our runs. If he's being honest with himself, I truly believe that the answer he'll come up with is "YES".

Yeah, It's frustrating to watch.....Even announcers during pre-season games were commenting on how good CAP looked. I remember the game I think against Texans where he had a 30 something yard gain with a wicked cutback at line of scrimmage. He was a good SEC RB.....Give him a shot. At this point what do they have to lose? Heck, even Fozzy might do better.

[LinvilleGorge]

If our run blocking continues as it has been, I'm all for switching it up to utilize the short passing game as our de facto running game. The Pats and Saints have used that type of approach plenty in the past. There's no need to incessantly pound the ball between the tackles when you know you suck at it.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Dragoon11 said:

Yeah, It's frustrating to watch.....Even announcers during pre-season games were commenting on how good CAP looked. I remember the game I think against Texans where he had a 30 something yard gain with a wicked cutback at line of scrimmage. He was a good SEC RB.....Give him a shot. At this point what do they have to lose? Heck, even Fozzy might do better.

Fozzy is basically just a scatback so I doubt he could do better, especially if he has a broken ankle. But, I do think that at this point in their careers, CAP could be a more effective version of Stew.

Man, he looked slow and indecisive out there tonight. The old Stew would slam himself into the D and get every inch that was there no matter what. This version of Stew seems slow, tentative, and weak. Seems like he's desperately searching for a hole that isn't there and when he doesn't find it he pretty much just lays down. That's almost certainly not what is actually happening, but damn if it doesn't look that way.

[Dragoon11]

Bottom line is this.....I don't think Cam will ever be the type of QB that picks teams apart despite not having a running game. For Cam to be successful and for this team to be successful, Panthers have to fix what has been their identity for a long time. Without a run game, we're going nowhere......Too one dimensional 

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wasn't a fan of CMC at #8, but what's done is done. Ultimately, I think his best NFL position might be slot receiver. #8 overall is a steep price to pay for a slot receiver, but when you look at guys like Wes Welker who have had 1500+ yard seasons out of the slot, that thought process might evolve over time. That type of production is big time whether it comes from the backfield, split wide, or out of the slot. Who cares? 1500+ yards is a lot of production.

Anyone who wants to go back and look at posts leading up to the draft will see that I was heavily on the Hooker train. I thought he was the best safety in the draft and I would've taken him in a heartbeat but none of that matters a bit now.

Production is fine but I was under the assumption he was brought in to help the run game. Hooker is looking like he should have been the pick, already has 3 int. It's really a fine pick if we did the necessary things to fix the poor secondary but I expect more out of him as a runner.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Production is fine but I was under the assumption he was brought in to help the run game. Hooker is looking like he should have been the pick, already has 3 int. It's really a fine pick if we did the necessary things to fix the poor secondary but I expect more out of him as a runner.

I was under the assumption that he was brought in to help the offense as a whole and not just as a runner. I really don't care how he contributes as long as he contributes.

Yes, if I was making the pick, the pick would've been Malik Hooker.

[Dragoon11]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Fozzy is basically just a scatback so I doubt he could do better, especially if he has a broken ankle. But, I do think that at this point in their careers, CAP could be a more effective version of Stew.

Man, he looked slow and indecisive out there tonight. The old Stew would slam himself into the D and get every inch that was there no matter what. This version of Stew seems slow, tentative, and weak. Seems like he's desperately searching for a hole that isn't there and when he doesn't find it he pretty much just lays down. That's almost certainly not what is actually happening, but damn if it doesn't look that way.

I thought the whole team looked kind of slow tonight at times.....I remember the one play where Wentz scrambled and Peppers had a clean shot at him and just kind of whiffed. He ended up about a yard shy of first down, but they had him in backfield, I just got the sense that the fire and hustle just wasn't there like you usually see out of that unit. Saw D-lineman kind of just standing up instead of firing off line of scrimmage.......Even receivers at times looked slow. Maybe it's the whole Thursday night game thing. Either way, I just didn't see the hustle we're used to seeing.

[Dragoon11]

Just now, Dragoon11 said:

I thought the whole team looked kind of slow tonight at times.....I remember the one play where Wentz scrambled and Peppers had a clean shot at him and just kind of whiffed. He ended up about a yard shy of first down, but they had him in backfield, I just got the sense that the fire and hustle just wasn't there like you usually see out of that unit. Saw D-lineman kind of just standing up instead of firing off line of scrimmage.......Even receivers at times looked slow. Maybe it's the whole Thursday night game thing. Either way, I just didn't see the hustle we're used to seeing.

Still don't think that's what ultimately cost us the game, was more bad coaching, lack of run game and turnovers more than anything. But something I noticed for sure.

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

That’s a damn lie, Fournette has faced more stacked boxes than any back in the nfl and he’s still productive. Difference is Fournette hits the hole like a bat out of hell, he doesn’t go down with arm tackles 

 

    Link, or I ain't believing some random Huddler. Show me where Fournette has faced more stacked boxes than we have. Hellz. 4 of our first 6 opponents have stacked the box, making Cam beat them. Until tonight, it hadn't worked out to well. But hey, we lost. So let's make it sound worse than it was. Am I right?

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Last year he had a virtually identical YPC average to Stew. We seem to still view Stew as an elite back. He simply isn't. A guy who we didn't even view as worth of a jersey last year virtually matched Stew's production when actually given a jersey last year. It's past time for us to simply accept that Stew is past his prime just like pretty much every other 30+ year old RB in the NFL and give those opportunities to someone else.

Stew is averaging less than 3ypc on the season at this point. It's time for those carries to start going to someone else and it's time for Shula to start taking a real look in the mirror and evaluating if he's being predictable with our runs. If he's being honest with himself, I truly believe that the answer he'll come up with is "YES".

 

    

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If our run blocking continues as it has been, I'm all for switching it up to utilize the short passing game as our de facto running game. The Pats and Saints have used that type of approach plenty in the past. There's no need to incessantly pound the ball between the tackles when you know you suck at it.

 

    LOL, Cam threw the ball a career high tonight. And yet we lost. How does that Pats, and aint's comparison work out now?

 

    Yeah, let's call out the running game. Teams have stacked the box against us big time. No one is running the ball except Cam on some misdirection. But hey, let's call out Stewy, and CmC for not getting 100 yards. 

 

    Man, folks love them some football. Too bad they don't understand what they see.

 

    But hey, I'm just some drunk guy, who butchers the English language. What do I know. Well, I know this, until we are able to run the ball, Cam is going to have to carry us. And HE failed at it tonight.

[GoobyPls]

44 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Link, or I ain't believing some random Huddler. Show me where Fournette has faced more stacked boxes than we have. Hellz. 4 of our first 6 opponents have stacked the box, making Cam beat them. Until tonight, it hadn't worked out to well. But hey, we lost. So let's make it sound worse than it was. Am I right?

I heard it on nfl network, but here’s a link from last week to shut you up

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/10/02/jaguars-want-to-better-manage-leonard-fournettes-touches/106249948/

 

BTW I suggest you watch some tape or at least the game replay. The patriots, saints and lions barely stacked the box unless we came out in jumbo packages. The eagles were literally stopping the run with just 4 D-lineman 

[NavyPF4L]

Part of your title is the actual issue the other 2 parts is some retarded agenda. Until this o line starts blocking and not completely wiffing on linemen you will not see any running back succeed. We looked much much better running with khalil... without him it's a joke