Yeah no. Shaq doesn't "suck" and neither does our defense.

[Bartin]

12 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

That was Bradberry's man he should have stayed on him so no its wouldn't have been 6 if 24 actually did his job.

They are running cover 6. Cover 3 on the far side and cover 2 on the near side. Shaq has the deep sideline, Bradberry has the underneath sideline. DE dropping has the underneath to the numbers.

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Bartin said:

Your "highlight" play of Shaq is not really a highlight. His responsibility is the deep sideline and Bradberry has the short and intermediate routes in a cover 2 look on that side. Nice play for a LB but a DB gets there and breaks up the pass. The DE that ends up in the flat covering the slot receiver doesn't have that as his primary responsibility. He's there because there was nothing over the middle.

Corner and safety on the other side were in Cover 4 quarters rather than thirds or a Cover 2 (corner staying up). With Bradberry initially drifting back as well and Shaq on the hash, unless the rest of the secondary was screwing up and/or Bradberry was in some kind of delayed Cover 3 cloud look I'm inclined to think it was supposed to be a Cover 4 and that was indeed a poor play by Bradberry.

[falconidae]

Saca, appreciate your fandom and your enthusiasm, but explaining why they sucked doesn't mean they didn't suck. 

You want to say it's fixable or just one game, no problem, but that was not a good performance. 

And, Brees and Payton have done that style of offense for over a decade, how can they not know that was exactly what they'd do to a base 4-3?

 

[Saca312]

20 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Saca, appreciate your fandom and your enthusiasm, but explaining why they sucked doesn't mean they didn't suck. 

You want to say it's fixable or just one game, no problem, but that was not a good performance. 

And, Brees and Payton have done that style of offense for over a decade, how can they not know that was exactly what they'd do to a base 4-3?

 

Wilks is a new DC. He tried to stop the run, but it backfired. Peyton sliced them up with a good scheme.

It happens. Wilks had good intentions but in his presser blames our defense solely on himself. It’s a good sign he understands he’s learning.

By the way, FO ranks the Panthers Defense 3rd using DAVE, and 6th using DVOA even after the Saints. This is more the anomaly than the norm.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

In comparison, the Falcons are 20th according to DVOA, 21st to DAVE. 

[Khyber53]

Our defense doesn't suck. They came out flat and a strategic decision was made to worry more about the Saints running game than their passing game. The decision was a real head scratcher, and it sure didn't work. The team just came out flat and had no zip against a Saints team that desperately didn't want to go 0-3 before stepping on a flight to London later that night. Oh yeah, and they had Drew Brees who really can't ever be counted out.

Our CBs aren't suspect, but they are both second year players. It's not one seasoned ace and a younger kid. It's two guys that haven't been legally able to drink for three years yet. Some of you wear jerseys to the game that are older than Bradberry and Worley. They are going to get beat by guys like Brees and Brady. But they are learning and getting better. Heck, I think even Sanchez will be good if given some more time.

We're trying to give them some help by bringing back Munnerlyn (who can be pretty good in streaks, but is a bit on the small side) and two starting safeties that are very experienced but getting a bit long in the tooth.

That's all balanced out by supposedly having a top 5 D-line (look at those guys, I mean, dannnnnng those are some star players) and then the best trio of linebackers playing the game, including a MLB that might well be the best to ever play the game.

We laid an egg last Sunday. And we've got a rough match up this week. But something good will come out of this and I think we'll see more fight.

 

[falconidae]

29 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Wilks is a new DC. He tried to stop the run, but it backfired. Peyton sliced them up with a good scheme.

It happens. Wilks had good intentions but in his presser blames our defense solely on himself. It’s a good sign he understands he’s learning.

By the way, FO ranks the Panthers Defense 3rd using DAVE, and 6th using DVOA even after the Saints. This is more the anomaly than the norm.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

In comparison, the Falcons are 20th according to DVOA, 21st to DAVE. 

You're still explaining why they sucked and claiming that means they didn't suck. And, when the DC blames the defense solely on himself, it's because they sucked.

And, sorry, but Wilks has been with the Panthers for 6 years,  he's seen Brees twice a year for all those years, how can what Brees was doing be a surprise?

And, what the falcons defense does has no bearing on the panthers defensive struggles from  last Sunday. 

Will point out, since you brought it up, that, on the road,  they held Stafford to one TD, held the Lions to 2 FGs on short fields after TOs, held them to 3 of 13 on 3rd down, had two 3 and outs to start the 4th quarter with the game in doubt and stopped them 6 straight times in the red zone in the last minute of the game, last 3 from the one yard line. They didn't suck.

[Saca312]

8 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Will point out, since you brought it up, that, on the road,  they held Stafford to one TD, held the Lions to 2 FGs on short fields after TOs, held them to 3 of 13 on 3rd down, had two 3 and outs to start the 4th quarter with the game in doubt and stopped them 6 straight times in the red zone in the last minute of the game, last 3 from the one yard line. They didn't suck.

And that defense is still not sniffing the top 20 of the league while the Panthers held a Bills team that scored 24 points on Denver's defense and a 49ers team that scored 39 against the Rams to a FG only in each game.

Yeah. This game's an anomaly. They sucked this game. 

The talent though doesn't. Highly doubt they'll be as bad as they were last weekend. 

Falcons are still below top 20 in DVOA through week 3. Gave up a lot in the 4th quarter and were lucky the Lions WR missed the endzone on their last play. 

Panthers defense is still better than the Falcons, as most sites and people are saying. You're just giving excuses and hoping the Panthers defense sucks, which is pretty much all you do.

[Troys99x3]

You wanna know why our defense looked horrible? Wilks is under the impression that a four man rush combined with cover two zone against an elite quarterback will suffice. Incorrect. We did not send the line backers on enough blitzes.. the only times we beat N.O. Is when we are constantly hitting brees. A successful four man rush hasn't really been a great approach for us since Greg Hardy was racking up sacks.. all I know is if we aren't sending the house at Brady it's gonna be a longgggg longgggg Sunday again...

[falconidae]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

And that defense is still not sniffing the top 20 of the league while the Panthers held a Bills team that scored 24 points on Denver's defense and a 49ers team that scored 39 against the Rams to a FG only in each game.

Yeah. This game's an anomaly. They sucked this game. 

The talent though doesn't. Highly doubt they'll be as bad as they were last weekend. 

Falcons are still below top 20 in DVOA through week 3. Gave up a lot in the 4th quarter and were lucky the Lions WR missed the endzone on their last play. 

Panthers defense is still better than the Falcons, as most sites and people are saying. You're just giving excuses and hoping the Panthers defense sucks, which is pretty much all you do.

So, you agree, they sucked Sunday. And I agree, that was just a bad game. Which was my point. 

Falcons defense has allowed 59 points through 3 games, that's top 10 numbers.  And DVOA doesn't account for the opposition until after the 4th game.

Gave up a lot in the 4th quarter? LMAO, Falcons held them to a 57 yard FG at the start of the 4th quarter, forced two straight 3 and outs on the next 2 lions drives [4 yards and 0 yards] then kept them out of the end zone on the 6 final plays in the red zone. Intercepted Stafford, but it got called back on PI on an uncatchable ball. Lions had 3 straight plays from the 1, didn't get in.

Wasn't luck either, the Falcons constant pressure during the game influenced the last throw to be low and short, and the DB who made the last play knew exactly what was coming because his coaches told him and played it perfectly. 

If the Panthers  had stopped Stafford, who had 8 come from behind victories in 2016, in similar manner, you'd have  6 pages of GIFs explaining how they were a great defense. 

Panthers D is good, Falcons defense had a better day than they did last Sunday.

And, Hoping I'm right? I didn't say the Panthers D sucked-you did. I was just pointing out that your first post was explaining how they sucked, not why they didn't.

Hoping I'm right? Let's review my major points of contention with you over the off season.

1. Cam would be rusty

2. Rookies would need time to adjust to NFL game

3. Cam wouldn't  have a rapport with his new toys w/o practice time.

4. Because of the first 3 items, the offense would start slowly

5. That I didn't see how the Oline was fixed.  That I saw no reason to think M Kalil would be good.

Tell me which of those 5 points I was wrong about?

[uncfan888]

falcons.. and the refs.. kept them out of the end zone. haha

[GeorgiaBoyz]

14 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

falcons.. and the refs.. kept them out of the end zone. haha

Too bad they won't be around to help Carolina when we hang 30 on you bums again. Haha.. 

[GeorgiaBoyz]

19 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

falcons.. and the refs.. kept them out of the end zone. haha

Refs did what ? Lmaoooo 

[GeorgiaBoyz]

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

And that defense is still not sniffing the top 20 of the league while the Panthers held a Bills team that scored 24 points on Denver's defense and a 49ers team that scored 39 against the Rams to a FG only in each game.

Yeah. This game's an anomaly. They sucked this game. 

The talent though doesn't. Highly doubt they'll be as bad as they were last weekend. 

Falcons are still below top 20 in DVOA through week 3. Gave up a lot in the 4th quarter and were lucky the Lions WR missed the endzone on their last play. 

Panthers defense is still better than the Falcons, as most sites and people are saying. You're just giving excuses and hoping the Panthers defense sucks, which is pretty much all you do.

Wrong that's all YOU do is give excuses & hope we suck. Every other post you include ATL. Last Sunday got your asses blew out by NO & the first thing you do is make a thread about how ATL should be 2-1 & didnt even watch the game to know what you were talking about. Just like you did all off-season cappin about a SB hangover, New OC, etc but Carolina would be evolved, CMC jukes this jukes that, match up problems with Samuel, Bengi, Olson etc. Your defense doesn't suck on paper or according to DVOA .. yet. By week 17 they'll be 20th or worse because your evolved O is a dud. OL is weak, QB is hurt & your OC can't get out of his own way. I'll give you an example "this" past Sunday. 

[uncfan888]

Blah blah, Atlanta troll. Who gets up at 5 in the morning to get on an opposing teams forum? Weirdo

You can show that pic all you want. The ten second run off is what gave you the game. Even my falcons friends admitted that