Star Trek: Discovery

[Jimmy]

The show is ok so far in my opinion, not great. I love the T'Kuvma storyline and the Klingon following. But centering this series around one character will be it's downfall if they don't rectify it. As much as TNG had Picard, it never really centered around him...the same with Enterprise and Archer. Main characters for sure but other characters had their time and stories which was great. I don't know, maybe this will happen. 

[Jangler]

23 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

The show is ok so far in my opinion, not great. I love the T'Kuvma storyline and the Klingon following. But centering this series around one character will be it's downfall if they don't rectify it. As much as TNG had Picard, it never really centered around him...the same with Enterprise and Archer. Main characters for sure but other characters had their time and stories which was great. I don't know, maybe this will happen. 

there is already talk about this being an anthology series.  which btw is something I have said all along. Jump all around the timelines. I'd love to to see a modern ST season set in the original timeline. but we are so jaded now, nobody wants colors anymore.

[Jimmy]

1 hour ago, Jangler said:

there is already talk about this being an anthology series.  which btw is something I have said all along. Jump all around the timelines. I'd love to to see a modern ST season set in the original timeline. but we are so jaded now, nobody wants colors anymore.

Can we at least go to the Beta or Charlie Quadrants...I mean for real..I bet there are some really nice people living there...would make for a kinder, more gentle ST

[Jangler]

Charlie lost, fyck'em

[d-dave]

I'm enjoying the show, just managed to watch the latest episode.  I am always excited for what's coming up next.

I like the Lorca character as a major contrast to every other star fleet leader we've seen (mostly, a few bad eggs).  I'm curious about the whole alternate reality, and if it will end up that Lorca takes the discovery with it's instant travel to this alternative universe for their war.

As far as Michael's character getting all "Wesley Crusher," I don't see that yet.  They set things up for her to be understood as one of the best officers in Star Fleet, hence why she's solving many of the problems.  I think that's been a strong point of the writing, it's not a Deus Ex Machina (yet); but a logical extension of her character.

As far a the Klingons, I hate the pacing.  Everything is so UBER melodramatic.  I love the design, I love the story, but the execution is too slow.  The eating of Captain Georgia(via dialogue) was a great moment, but got lost in how slow the scene went.

[outlaw4]

On 10/12/2017 at 7:24 AM, d-dave said:

I'm enjoying the show, just managed to watch the latest episode.  I am always excited for what's coming up next.

I like the Lorca character as a major contrast to every other star fleet leader we've seen (mostly, a few bad eggs).  I'm curious about the whole alternate reality, and if it will end up that Lorca takes the discovery with it's instant travel to this alternative universe for their war.

As far as Michael's character getting all "Wesley Crusher," I don't see that yet.  They set things up for her to be understood as one of the best officers in Star Fleet, hence why she's solving many of the problems.  I think that's been a strong point of the writing, it's not a Deus Ex Machina (yet); but a logical extension of her character.

As far a the Klingons, I hate the pacing.  Everything is so UBER melodramatic.  I love the design, I love the story, but the execution is too slow.  The eating of Captain Georgia(via dialogue) was a great moment, but got lost in how slow the scene went.

Alternate reality? My understand was that everything we're seeing is in the Prime universe. 

Lorca is certainly an interesting character. He's certainly a mismatch being the captain of a science ship with a crew that isn't suited for a combat role. I'm curious to see whether he'll either start to mellow a bit like Captain Picard or ends up being more of an antagonist.

I see the setup but it's a bit too much for me (human raised in Vulcan by Sarek, overly intelligent, special first name, praised by many, figures out Ripper's true nature, etc). I'm not saying it can't be pulled off but even in-universe, Vulcans come off as annoying to others. Like I mentioned before, Michael needs other characters around her so that it doesn't become the same for the viewer. We're not there yet.

You might've hit it on the head with the Klingons. The scenes just drag on forever even though the actual time says otherwise. 

[Jangler]

16 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

Alternate reality? My understand was that everything we're seeing is in the Prime universe. 

 

There has been no defiant answer. To me for this storyline to work, it has to be in the Kelvin universe. A one season story with one main character.

[Jimmy]

From the Interwebs...you decide:

The other issue that has sparked ever since Discovery‘s trailer first aired is the question of what timeline the series is set in. Discovery‘s producers – original showrunner Bryan Fuller (Hannibal), who parted ways with the series last year over creative differences, and current executive producers Alex Kurtzman (The Mummy), Gretchen J. Berg and Aaron Harberts (Pushing Daisies) – have each insisted Discovery takes place in the Prime Timeline of Star Trek. However, the visuals of Discoveryalone lend some doubt to that claim.

Star Trek: Discovery is a prequel series set approximately 10 years before the Original Series’ first five year mission of Captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner) and the Starship Enterprise. This also places Discovery roughly a century after the Captain Jonathan Archer (Scott Bakula)-led Star Trek: Enterprise in the Prime timeline. While Discovery‘s cool and sleek starship design and blue uniforms do aesthetically meld as continuations of the designs of Star Trek: Enterprise, its visual style and bombastic special effects seem to make it more akin to the J.J. Abrams-produced Star Trek films, which are set in the rebooted Kelvin timeline.

[Jimmy]

If it is truly the Prime timeline than the spore drive doesn't make sense.

[Jangler]

Fuller is already out. 

Star Trek: Anthology is the way to go. You can jump all around the timelines, decades and centuries. 

The best thing that came from AHS, it showed Hollywood you can do 1 season storylines and keep ratings.

ST: Anthology can do 6 episode stories or episodes like Twilight Zone. 

[Jangler]

also...

was e5 the first time fyck has been spoken in the future? x2

[outlaw4]

I finished Episode 5 a few minutes ago. Although the show as a whole hasn't set that high a bar, this was my favorite episode so far. 

- Okay. I'll just get it out of the way. Cursing on Trek - do I have a problem with it? Personally, it's not a big issue if it feels something natural within the context. Thought the moment called attention to itself too much in this case, however.

- It was refreshing that this episode allowed characters other than Michael to be on the front stage for extended periods. In honesty, I find it hard to warm to her character and I think it's because the "human raised as a Vulcan" aspect. It feels that with her character, we're getting the worst of both Vulcan and human qualities.

- Saru's time as a captain reminded me somewhat on when Data took command of that one ship with the uncooperative officer. He had this heavy handiness that was sneaking into Lorca territory but in fairness, that was mostly because of Michael's actions. He was certainly nicer to the bridge crew who finally got some acknowledgement but still not enough. Finally, I couldn't help but love Saru's verbal smackdown on Michael. It might've been the "Shut up, Wesley!" moment of the series.

- Lorca, wow, Lorca. How desperate must Starfleet be to allow a captain that basically murdered everyone on his old ship to "spare them a worse death" to have another command with great latitude on what he can do? Contrast that with Commodore Decker who at least tried to save his crew and wished he had died along with them. The fact he left Mudd behind should've been no surprise. I will say this much, though. If he is meant to be an antagonist, he plays it in a way I appreciate. The best ones are the ones who do many bad deeds and yet believe they're doing the right thing. 

- I enjoyed Mudd's lines although I'm unsure if he was the right messenger for them. Despite the gritty array hitting him along with much of Discovery's universe, he provided some needed humor in a show that doesn't have enough.

- After a few episodes, I find that the computer voice talks too often and too promptly after every request. 

- Don't have any issues with the final scene except it ran a little long. Oh, and was the thing with the mirror inferring the mirror universe or consequences related with time? That coupled with no trailer for the next episode made it an effective ending that makes me want to watch more.

- It's been said Discovery doesn't start off feeling like Star Trek is because its ideals is the very thing the show will be discovering. For me, this episode was the most convincing in making that case. The show would have to start with the sense those ideals aren't really there and building up from there. If that's truly the concept, then it's an ambitious concept that requires patient viewers.

- Last but not least. Jonathan Archer, decorated captain?

Well, there's your problem!

[Jangler]

man I hated Enterprise... I stopped watching after 2.5 seasons. yr welcome.

a lottle throw back, me has the feeling this is when Fuller left when he show. 

Still a fine show and one character, with flowing charterers is fine with me.

[d-dave]

Nice post @outlaw4!  I agree with you.  I feel like there is a lot of depth here.  Sure, some people don't like or appreciate the darker, war story Trek, but seeing as how this could be a different timeline (the Kelvin timeline, thanks for getting me to read up on that!), seeing that this is a star trek for "now" instead of a return to the rose tinted past.  

On this episode, I really liked digging a little deeper into Lorca, past his arrogant facade.  I think that his choice with his crew makes for an interesting plot point for sure.  How desperate is Star Fleet for war heroes?  You could really see how calculating he is.  As far as helping the other guy, you have to think that he's not naive enough to think that dude survived 7 months on a prison ship.  The new guy has to be a spy.

I was reading about that on gizmodo, and it points out that there's a tie into the actor who plays Voq.  And that Voq's friend was a member of the spy group of Klingons, and she asked him if he would be willing give it all up....  Lorca has to know something is up there...right??

The fact that Burnham was not the principal in this episode was great.  Give the other good actors a chance to do something other than nod or stare in aghast horror at whatever she does.  F-bomb?  So what.  It's an online show.  And it was f'ing cool.  But there will be a very good reason why this doesn't propagate.  

I can't wait to see what the long term consequences are for Spore-Boy.