Baldy on a Cam sack

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

He's gotten more than enough reps for a 7th year QB. And it's not even close. Plenty of other QBs have come off injuries and been just fine without practice.

Laughable.

Tell me all the QBs who have played at a high level while missing or being severely restricted in practice for nearly an entire calendar year.

Did you ever play any sports at any level? You can't miss as much practice time as Cam has and stay sharp. Especially at the QB position. Especially with this many changes at receiver due to new additions and injuries to Olsen and now KB.You gotta have reps to overcome all these things, even vets and former MVPs.

This is exactly why many coaches have the "if you can't practice, you can't play mantra". Short-term is one thing, but this isn't short-term. Cam has been held out of practice or severely for a loooooong time.

[TheRed]

If you think Cam has gotten "more than enough reps" since he began recovery from the surgery, you do not know football.

[brandon_87]

Love how people are saying we brought him back too early... this thread was literally created to show its his mind and decision making, not his shoulder. Unbelievable 

[CarolinaSamurai]

58 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Love how people are saying we brought him back too early... this thread was literally created to show its his mind and decision making, not his shoulder. Unbelievable 

His mind and decision making is directly related to reps and practice. You get a feel for the offense so you don't have to think as much when your out there. It becomes second nature that if I throw the ball now at Shep at this spot he will catch it. 

[raleigh-panther]

I don't know what to think anymore

maybe he wants them fired   Maybe he wants a trade

maybe he is damaged goods

maybe we have the most Incompetent Owner, FO, coaches, knowing he was injured and didn't have plan b

i don't know  I just know, for better or worse, we are married to the guy drafted in 2011

he is getting paid  a lot of money and he doesn't strike me as shy, if he can't play effectively, he either needs to sit down or be sat down 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

2 hours ago, thomas96 said:

He's in his 7th year. Lack of practice is no excuse for a lot of the mistakes he's making.

At this point, it appears he has regressed. Or maybe the attitude of the team Sunday was just blah. Ron certainly didnt have them prepared, or at least emotionally ready to play.

So lets hope it is just that, but unfortunately it has appeared Cam has regressed since the Super Bowl or at least since the rematch with the Broncos last season. He was making these mistakes last year well before the shoulder injury. Sometimes mental injuries are the toughest to hurdle back over.

[Proudiddy]

I dont know why it would be this way, but honestly, it appears from what we've seen, he REALLY doesn't trust Shepherd.

[Proudiddy]

I also think the lack of reps has done two things...  

1) Speeds everything up.  Windows look a lot tighter, pressure is both real and imagined.

2) He doesn't trust what he sees because he hasn't been seeing it in live reps...  It doesn't matter what he's doing film wise if he can't practice it.

And in addition to that, he has a playcaller who can't decide what he wants to call until there's 8 seconds left in the playclock.  He usually gets up to the line with 3 seconds, the defense is then able to time the rush, and he has no time to look over the defense and adjust accordingly.  Fantastic.

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

Did they test him for CTE?

Good Christ !  LOL  amazing post, I love

[The Lobo]

I don't know why, but this thread title made me giggle. 

[brandon_87]

1 hour ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

His mind and decision making is directly related to reps and practice. You get a feel for the offense so you don't have to think as much when your out there. It becomes second nature that if I throw the ball now at Shep at this spot he will catch it. 

Not being a dick, but that blitz hot read is qb 101. Even Sheppard knew it. Thayer has absolutely nothing to do with shoulder pain or lack of reps with new guys. It's his poor decision making and inability to think under pressure

[Daeavorn]

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Actually, I don't want us to move on from Cam. I want Cam to dig down and bring himself back up. It can be the difference between being a good QB that people every now and then say, "Remember back when..." and being one of the legends of the game that are relevant decades after their playing time.

Ali was always a champ, but he didn't become a living legend until after he'd had to earn his title back the first time. Montana and Elway both had seasons with injuries and getting beat up behind a bad line, both fought back and had their biggest seasons. Legends refuse to let someone else write their epitaph.

But there are dozens upon dozens of McMahons, Dilfers, Pastorinis, Bartowskis, McNabbs, Esiasons and Whites that never broke through the walls that landed in front of or on top of them.

The question is, will Cam get through that wall. If he can, then he can be the kind of QB that can carry a team to the promised land. If not, then we're going to be talking about how good he could have been but... for the next decade, long after we've forgotten the names we're blaming today for it.

 

This is a great post. I didn't think about his situation in this kind of way, but I agree. If he can overcome this funk he is in he will be great.

[Anybodyhome]

3 hours ago, thomas96 said:

He's in his 7th year. Lack of practice is no excuse for a lot of the mistakes he's making.

This.

Look, Cam has maybe 7-8 more years in his career before the physical toll will force him from the game before he wants to go. By the same measure that his physical attributes made him an anomaly at the QB position, those same attributes will soon become liabilities as the injuries mount. 

We've seen the best of Cam Newton and he will likely never surpass his own best season. It's remarkable how many fans on this board continue to talk, beg and plead for better coaching, changing mechanics, changing play style, etc. It's not gonna happen. What Cam is today is what Cam will be next season and 4 seasons from now. You might get away with coaching a kid up during his first 3-4 years if you have that luxury, but it's not happening 7 years into a career. The Carolina Panthers will live and die by Cam Newton as long as he is the starting QB and hoping for some revelation that will turn him into a 65-67% completion rate, consistent 90+ rating player is probably not happening either.

Cam's legs are no longer a DC nightmare. Any DC worth half his salary knows all he needs is decent pass coverage and holding the edge, forcing Cam to throw from the pocket. Save for Shepard and Samuel, there isn't a WR on the roster who is going to run past anyone and separation is a mythical occurrence which does not happen in Charlotte. I'll give Cam a couple running 1st downs  a game in exchange for a 61% completion rate and a 2-pick per game average.    

Bottom line- Cam Newton no longer intimidates, causes insomnia, keeps HCs guessing or DBs worried. What you see is what you got. 

[J.Cage]

6 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

What is wrong with our quaterback? This to me is more worrying than a missed tackle or a bad throw. Not even seeing it. That's scary.

He can’t practice with the team.