Play Discussion: 3rd and 6 ...

[Bartin]

That play should be run from under center so the ball gets to Samuel quicker.

Shepard completely whiffs on his block giving the play no chance at all, but even if he makes the block Klein likely stops him for a 2-3 yard gain.

[PantherBrew]

51 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

Right on.

 

The blocking assignments along with the coverage assignment damn this play before the snap.  Look at how the MLB is pulled into the heart of the play..  Its not that he "knows" where its going as much as its his job to take the inner most receiver who breaks out to block and so he is standing in the gap when the ball is thrown.

 

A simple pre-snap motion would have exposed their assignments and could have created the mismatch that would have at least given this a chance.

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Yep, maybe Cam didn't have time to motion.  Igo talks a lot about Cam getting the plays in super late.  Could be.  We are def not in sync, obviously.

[blackcat]

have we ever had a wide receiver screen pass go for more than 3 yards?

[g_d0t]

11 minutes ago, blackcat said:

have we ever had a wide receiver screen pass go for more than 3 yards?

samuel had a screen pass for like 6 yards last game

[EightyNine]

It looks like Cam gets it to him pretty quickly..  Does Samuel need to do a better job at selling his route up field before he comes back for the screen?  When Samuel immediately turns inside for the screen, it looks like that is what pulls the defense down so quickly.

[Jon Snow]

41 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

It looks like Cam gets it to him pretty quickly..  Does Samuel need to do a better job at selling his route up field before he comes back for the screen?  When Samuel immediately turns inside for the screen, it looks like that is what pulls the defense down so quickly.

I knew the play as soon as they lined up.  If my untrained eye can see it coming I'm sure the experts saw it too.  It didn't matter what Samuel did at that point, everyone knew it was a wr screen.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, blackcat said:

have we ever had a wide receiver screen pass go for more than 3 yards?

Yes when Jake was throwing them to smitty.

[Castavar]

When the Saints historically bad D (of all defenses) without it's top 2 corners know what plays are coming, you need to just retire.

[TheRed]

Poor play design is a constant theme with our OC.

[LinvilleGorge]

When the only balls that actually get thrown to a guy are smoke screens t makes that guy very easy to defend in the passing game.

[Peppers90 NC]

Shepard misses the block is the first problem. Had he engaged, who knows what would have happened. Bad play call? Not if everyone blocked like they are supposed to. Good play call? Not if the guys who are supposed to block are bad at it.

[raleigh-panther]

This is such a sad thread and we see it over and over again from Shula,  vertical, not horizontal . That concept for Shula just seems hard to grasp 

running the freaking smoke route  running the wildcat  

I wonder what is really going on with Newton.

Why are we not running the hurry up. Can he  not throw down field. Can he not run?

he seems to just not give a damn.  I see no passion. No interaction.  That's what it felt like at the staduim to be very honest 

 

[Matthias]

This is why I argue for receivers who can run the complete route tree.  I don't want to see a screen on a 3rd and long.  That is a give up play and it tells me one or two things about this team.  One, they believe our speed guys are gimmicks who can only do trick plays.  Two, our speed guys are gimmicks who can only do trick plays.  So in other words, the problem is either the coaches or the players.  I think it's the coaches who are afraid to let the rookie run a deep route or the inexperienced Byrd to run a deep route.  They need to go ahead and let it rip.

[Peppers90 NC]

51 minutes ago, Matthias said:

This is why I argue for receivers who can run the complete route tree.  I don't want to see a screen on a 3rd and long.  That is a give up play and it tells me one or two things about this team.  One, they believe our speed guys are gimmicks who can only do trick plays.  Two, our speed guys are gimmicks who can only do trick plays.  So in other words, the problem is either the coaches or the players.  I think it's the coaches who are afraid to let the rookie run a deep route or the inexperienced Byrd to run a deep route.  They need to go ahead and let it rip.

Ron has no confidence in the offense. I can't get over not stopping the clock at the end of the first half when the Saints had the ball 1st and goal on the 3 and we let them run 2 minutes off the clock to only call one of our three timeouts to try to ice the kicker on a 25 yard FG attempt.