Cam's QBR this week is 7. Is it time to sit him down?

[uncfan888]

If we sit cam, the season is a total loss. But if it allows him to get healthy and rivera to get fired, maybe it's worth it

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

If we sit cam, the season is a total loss. But if it allows him to get healthy and rivera to get fired, maybe it's worth it

If only that were true.  If Cam is benched for a time and the results are a losing season Ron will get a pass because Cam was hurt.  Injuries will get this staff another pass.

[uncfan888]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If only that were true.  If Cam is benched for a time and the results are a losing season Ron will get a pass because Cam was hurt.  Injuries will get this staff another pass.

Yeah, that's the one thing that terrifies me. It's like we're being held hostage by Rivera and shula

[MikeD83]

If the line doesn't improve soon, we will likely have no choice. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, MikeD83 said:

If the line doesn't improve soon, we will likely have no choice. 

It's a vicious circle we find ourselves in.  We keep searching for lineman that can hold the line long enough to allow Cam to make his progressions.   

Cam locks in on one target until he thinks they are open way too long resulting in a sack making it look like it's the olines fault.

If they hold long enough Cam panics and turns right into the teeth of the rush instead of stepping up in the pocket.  The line has no idea where he is or where he's going 3 seconds after the snap.  Hard to look good when that happens.

I honestly couldn't tell you right now if the OLine is competent or not until Cam gets his poo together.

[Castavar]

Should have never stuck him in there for meaningless games at the end of the season last year to begin with. This franchise is fuggin retarded. That sh*t still pisses me off.

[ncmonzta]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's a vicious circle we find ourselves in.  We keep searching for journeyman lineman that can hold the line long enough to allow Shula's long ass plays to develop.   

Cam has to force a pass into coverage or wait way too long resulting in a sack making it look like it's the olines fault after the DE isn't blocked and gets a free hit on Cam.

If they hold long enough and no one is open, Cam panics and turns right into the teeth of the rush instead of stepping up in the imaginary pocket.  The line has no idea where their assignments are or where he's going 3 seconds after the snap.  Hard to look good when that happens.

I honestly couldn't tell you right now if the OLine is competent or not. 

FIFY

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, ncmonzta said:

FIFY

Nah, it was correct all along.  Cams got issues right now that no OLine can compensate for.  You can't judge them fairly until no. 1 is fixed.  

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, Growl said:

I really don't think this is true to be honest.

 

Anderson may not be the talent Cam is but he has also proven he can come out and efficiently distribute the ball and not eat sacks.

 

When Cam plays we either win games or lose them dependent upon him. Anderson can play within a system.

2011-14 Anderson, yeah

2017 Anderson sucks

[ncmonzta]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Nah, it was correct all along.  Cams got issues right now that no OLine can compensate for.  You can't judge them fairly until no. 1 is fixed.  

So you and others expect cam to escape unblocked dlineman or linebackers, wait 5 seconds for someone to get open, and make all the throws on a bad shoulder that's repeatedly been slammed into the ground every other series. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, ncmonzta said:

So you and others expect cam to escape unblocked dlineman or linebackers, wait 5 seconds for someone to get open, and make all the throws on a bad shoulder that's repeatedly been slammed into the ground every other series. 

No, when the lineman let's a defender go free he obviously didn't know or misunderstood the protection resulting in an easy sack.

Cam should have the ball out of his hands in less than 3 seconds.  That's all any lineman can be expected to hold a block in the NFL, these defense ends are just too good to expect more than that.

If it's taking Cam longer to find the open target then anything that happens after that is on Cam.  It's been pointed out repeatedly that he has options open on nearly every play but for whatever reason he locks on to someone else or just isn't going through his reads.  That's not on the OLine.

Him having a bad shoulder and still starting is on the coaches.

 

[SCO96]

7 minutes ago, DelhommesTheMan said:

It’s time to face facts that Cam isn’t ready to play.  This is not the Cam Newton we have seen in the past.  He doesn’t even have is strength down overthrowing everyone and his accuracy is worse than ever.  If we are going to be successful we have to do what the bears did to the Steelers yesterday, and what we did against Buffalo and SF.  That’s run, run and run some more.  We will go as far as the defense and our two headed monster of Rbs will take us.  Welcome back to Fox ball, except it’s actually our only shot until Cam gets back to form and it’s football we can actually be successful playing with our current team construction.

I'd agree with you if we had some exceptional run blocking up front. The problems is we don't have that. You would think that a team/coach that prides itself on running the ball would always make sure the O-Line was above average at worst. If we tried to run the ball 30 times a game I doubt we'd average 3.5 yards per carry. I think are rushing totals have been elevated in the past because of Cam's ability to run. The actual yards from our running backs are pretty low. There's no way our running game is good enough to get us into the playoffs, or even a .500 record, this year.

[Happy Panther]

Interestingly, Cam had an almost identical game against MIN near the end of last year. The next week he went off against an admittedly bad niners team. Not sure if that means anything but Cam seems to either be in a groove or not. And he has said one thing that gets him in that groove is running the ball.

We need him getting yards on the ground. WFNZ pointed out that he has around 140 yards rushing in the past 10 games.

[Jon Snow]

8 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I'd agree with you if we had some exceptional run blocking up front. The problems is we don't have that. You would think that a team/coach that prides itself on running the ball would always make sure the O-Line was above average at worst. If we tried to run the ball 30 times a game I doubt we'd average 3.5 yards per carry. I think are rushing totals have been elevated in the past because of Cam's ability to run. The actual yards from our running backs are pretty low. There's no way our running game is good enough to get us into the playoffs, or even a .500 record, this year.

It's hard to run with a stacked box on every down.  Know why that is?

Hint: They can't pass with a QB with a bum shoulder and PTSD.