Lack of player execution was more the culprit today

[Millioso7]

I blame this funboy narcissist trump for causing distraction with is pointless comments.. what does it take to get this funboy impeached?

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

So if these guys are that inept at execution on a regular basis whose fault is that? 

They aren't really. Kalil has looked shaky for at least one game, and probably just bad two out of the three. Cam hasn't particularly looked good in any of them. In this game he was atrocious. It's hard for any offensive skill position to actually look good if your QB is not on his game, much worse stinking up the field.

The defense hasn't looked bad until today. Sure, there were some suspect plays in the defensive backfield the first two games---missed throws by the opposition and missed PI calls that could have been called but weren't, but overall the defense looked good. They've definitely been executing for the most part.

The first two games were disappointing, particularly from a play calling aspect and lack of creative use of personnel, so I've given up on this "evolution" B.S.  But today, with the plays that were called, we should have won!

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

They aren't really. Kalil has looked shaky for at least one game, and probably just bad two out of the three. Cam hasn't particularly looked good in any of them. In this game he was atrocious. It's hard for any offensive skill position to actually look good if your QB is not on his game, much worse stinking up the field.

The defense hasn't looked bad until today. Sure, there were some suspect plays in the defensive backfield the first two games---missed throws by the opposition and missed PI calls that could have been called but weren't, but overall the defense looked good. They've definitely been executing for the most part.

The first two games were disappointing, particularly from a play calling aspect and lack of creative use of personnel, so I've given up on this "evolution" B.S.  But today, with the plays that were called, we should have won!

But you see there in lies the rub.  If these guys are not executing the plays, which you guys keep lauding as the real problem, then it still is ultimately on the coaches.  They either haven't coached these guys up enough to know what they are doing or the system is just to relient on perfection to be successful.   Either way it's all coaching.

[xav8tor]

I was there, not that it matters. When you witness something like that poo show up close, it just feels different. Regardless, my take would be the same: it was a combo of poor execution and poor play calling, topped off with our ridiculous aversion to game planning. If that isn't enough, put RR's punt decision in your pipe and smoke it. That alone spoke volumes to me. 

[top dawg]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

But you see there in lies the rub.  If these guys are not executing the plays, which you guys keep lauding as the real problem, then it still is ultimately on the coaches.  They either haven't coached these guys up enough to know what they are doing or the system is just to relient on perfection to be successful.   Either way it's all coaching.

Dude, Cam is a well-paid, veteran franchise QB in the NFL. You don't win when that guy turns the ball over three times and overthrows players who have legitimate looks to score, or at least get deep in the red zone. 

Give Drew Bree's a short field, and you'll likely pay dearly.

Tackling is an essential part of the game. Every football player knows this. It's not a mystery.

Some things are just too easy to blame on the coach, especially if you're looking at things simplistically or if you simply have an ax to grind.

Now this is not to say that coaching hasn't been an issue, but lack of execution was the main issue today---not everyday, but today.

And, like I said, at some point you have to start questioning the way that the team was built and personnel choices.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Dude, Cam is a well-paid, veteran franchise QB in the NFL. You don't win when that guy turns the ball over three times and overthrows players who have legitimate looks to score, or at least get deep in the red zone. 

Give Drew Bree's a short field, and you'll likely pay dearly.

Tackling is an essential part of the game. Every football player knows this. It's not a mystery.

Some things are just too easy to blame on the coach, especially if you're looking at things simplistically or if you simply have an ax to grind.

Now this is not to say that coaching hasn't been an issue, but lack of execution was the main issue today---not everyday, but today.

And, like I said, at some point you have to start questioning the way that the team was built and personnel choices.

If it we're a one time thing I could buy this but it is a regular issue.  I'm not giving the players a pass either but coaching is the number one problem of this team.

This team was built by two different GM's with one common denominator, Ron "it's a process" Rivera.  Blame the players, blame the GM's, but not the coaches, that's what I keep hearing.

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If it we're a one time thing I could buy this but it is a regular issue.  I'm not giving the players a pass either but coaching is the number one problem of this team.

This team was built by two different GM's with one common denominator, Ron "it's a process" Rivera.  Blame the players, blame the GM's, but not the coaches, that's what I keep hearing.

Plenty of people blame the coaches, if not most, but it's all a matter of perspective.

I'm on record as saying that I'm not going to accept excuses about anything this year. We have what we need to get to the postseason, or should have. Of course if Cam plays like crap, then that's a hard sell to say that we have what we need. Even still, I will be in a get rid of everybody type of mood if we don't achieve good things this season. 

 

[Jangler]

whew, good thing, with the amount of money these fyckers make I thought they would at least half ass it.

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Plenty of people blame the coaches, if not most, but it's all a matter of perspective.

I'm on record as saying that I'm not going to accept excuses about anything this year. We have what we need to get to the postseason, or should have. Of course if Cam plays like crap, then that's a hard sell to say that we have what we need. Even still, I will be in a get rid of everybody type of mood if we don't achieve good things this season. 

 

I fear Cam will never regain his confidence that he once had before all the beatings took their toll.  He has been woefully neglected in his development by this staff, even you have to admit that.

This staff is average at best and average is all this team will ever be under the current regime.  Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

[Jangler]

Cam will win 4 straight Superbowls

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

with Belichick

[top dawg]

I'm not oblivious to the time management and downright chickenshit decisions made at times. But my thing is that Ron hitched himself to Shula. I don't care how likeable he is or how good of a coach that I think that he has been or can be, if he hitches himself to the wrong guy, he has to go. The excuses end with this season.

I've also been an outspoken Cam guy over the years. He hasn't had it easy, dealing with a GM that just refused to get him suitable blindside protection. Even still, he's always been shaky with accuracy, reads and decision making (including the decision to consistently use good mechanics). Cam is leaving just too much meat on the bone. He has the weapons to overcome an imperfect line, so I'm not accepting anymore excuses this season. Produce or sit down!

No one gets a pass. We have too much talent to suffer another unfulfilled season.

[Pimpdaddy]

1 hour ago, Eazy-E said:

I hate to say it but I think the Panthers should have done what the Colts did and sat Cam. His shoulder can't be getting any better with the beating he is taking. The offense is so bad right now that we would still probably be 2-1 without Cam. If Cam isn't able to routinely practice it will continue to show on the field and hurt the team, especially when Shula and the o line aren't doing him any favors.

...thing is...i dont think it will ever improve his accuracy...and thats the most important ability in a QB.. i.e. Brees

[L-TownCat]

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

If you can't see where missed tackle after missed tackle today was a problem, and Cam with his drive-killing plays was a major problem, then take the rose-colored goggles off.

Will do, rose colored glasses are off.

Now let me see here, yep, coaching sucked, players were not prepared, Cam is obviously not 100%, Olsen out, KB out, Ryan Kalil out, and Matt Kalil out(of position)

The Defense was out coached pure and simple.  The Saints got them crossed up all day.