Guess How Predictable The Panthers Running Game Is?

[panthers55]

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Do you even read your own bullshit? People post actual statistical information and you counter with a bunch of conjecture and hypotheticals. Well maybe this, well maybe that. We all saw a Broncos LB sit there literally laughing about how we changed nothing leading up to the SB. They had us completely pegged based on film study. He was absolutely incredulous about how such a thing could actually happen. 

During Rivera's time here, we have had an OC and a DC as well as a former QB coach all move on to be head coaches. Meanwhile, Shula can't even get an interview. Shula has publicly said he'd be open to interviewing for head coach positions so it's not like it's due to his lack of interest. That right there says a ton about how the rest of the league views him. The fact that Rivera who is loyal to a fault sticks with him doesn't say anything for his abilities as an OC. Ron seemingly values continuity and familiarity over just about everything else. 

 

Nice story but my post talked football and the kind of considerations serious fans interested in exploring the facts would need to ponder. Your post full of random complaints and convoluted logic that you evaluate a coordinator by how many interviews he gets. As if the skill sets were remotely similar. Rivera is the boss here and he likes the way things are going. Being on the inside I figure he knows tons more than me or you. So I am guilty of giving him the benefit of the doubt.  That includes sticking with Shula and bringing in CMC. They have a thought out plan. I want to see it and then judge.  Why would a real Panther fan harbor such animosity toward a coach especially when we are 23-11 in the past  34 games despite all the offensive injuries. Cam hasn't been well since Thanksgiving of 2016. Kalil has missed 8 games or so.  Seems to.me Shula and staff have had their hands full. It only gets uphill from here with Olsen gone. Your dislike isn't rational. 

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Nice story but my post talked football and the kind of considerations serious fans interested in exploring the facts would need to ponder. Your post full of random complaints and convoluted logic that you evaluate a coordinator by how many interviews he gets. As if the skill sets were remotely similar. Rivera is the boss here and he likes the way things are going. Being on the inside I figure he knows tons more than me or you. So I am guilty of giving him the benefit of the doubt.  That includes sticking with Shula and bringing in CMC. They have a thought out plan. I want to see it and then judge.  Why would a real Panther fan harbor such animosity toward a coach especially when we are 23-11 in the past  34 games despite all the offensive injuries. Cam hasn't been well since Thanksgiving of 2016. Kalil has missed 8 games or so.  Seems to.me Shula and staff have had their hands full. It only gets uphill from here with Olsen gone. Your dislike isn't rational. 

But you don't actually explore any of those considerations or "facts", do you? You just pose questions. But what about this? What about that? I don't know, what about them? Go do some legwork. Others actually do that and then you just come up with more hypotheticals without further exploring them.

Yes, a coordinator for a league leading offense and MVP QB not getting a hint of interest for a HC interview despite his interest in it is definitely a red flag in terms of the rest of the league's view of him. Especially considering he has previous HC experience at Alabama which is about as close to an NFL HC job as you can get outside of the 32 NFL franchises.

You seriously don't think that it speaks volumes when an opposing defensive player essentially mocks the efforts he made to prepare the team for the biggest game of his life? It's embarrassing.

 

 

[panthers55]

The point is if you want to know whether something is true or not you have to ask intelligent questions. If you want to just complain and throw dirt the facts get in your way. I know why you don't know the answer to this questions. Because you never consider anything but your own point of view and parrot the popular negative view and look for evidence to support your already decided opinion and you discount anything contrary to that view. In your hate of Shula because you think he holds precious Cam  back. That couldn't be further from the truth.

[saints4lifeagain]

To be completely fair, from an unbiased opinion, even if the percentages are far apart, the YPP for runs out of shotgun are actually worse. So, even if the defense doesn't think it's coming, it's no better.

[ickmule]

My guess= VERY. 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The point is if you want to know whether something is true or not you have to ask intelligent questions. If you want to just complain and throw dirt the facts get in your way. I know why you don't know the answer to this questions. Because you never consider anything but your own point of view and parrot the popular negative view and look for evidence to support your already decided opinion and you discount anything contrary to that view. In your hate of Shula because you think he holds precious Cam  back. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Jesus Christ dude, you are so completely full of your own bullshit.

Others offer actual opinions and oftentimes back them up with actual information and actual statistics while you "argue" with nothing but condescension. If you're as smart as you fancy yourself, try to formulate an actual counter-argument because so far you've completely failed to do so. Endless what ifs and vigorous self aggrandizing does not constitute an argument.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

To be completely fair, from an unbiased opinion, even if the percentages are far apart, the YPP for runs out of shotgun are actually worse. So, even if the defense doesn't think it's coming, it's no better.

Not sure if 3.06 vs. 2.88 with those small sample sizes is even relevant. I doubt it. We're talking about six and a half inches in difference between the two. 

[Lumps]

Why do you need 'facts' and numbers to back up Shula sucks comments? The fug. Watch the games and it's obvious no need to record everything and present it on here good lord. Saca posted numbers but who cares, how were those numbers not already obvious watching the games? I mean really P55 99% of posters see Shula sucks why do you need more? You think they're all wrong and must be something else because they don't have stats? Just being dumb I mean my god.

[saints4lifeagain]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not sure if 3.06 vs. 2.88 with those small sample sizes is even relevant. I doubt it. We're talking about six and a half inches in difference between the two. 

Yeah, I wasn't meaning markedly worse. But there seems to be the notion that the run is stopped because of thr tendencies, when even when there's not a high percent chance that it's a run, it does no better. I could see the argument if the YPP was markedly better out of shotgun.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Yeah, I wasn't meaning markedly worse. But there seems to be the notion that the run is stopped because of thr tendencies, when even when there's not a high percent chance that it's a run, it does no better. I could see the argument if the YPP was markedly better out of shotgun.

We have the 5th highest rush percentage in the NFL and are 30th in yards per carry. We were 7th in rush percentage last year and 20th in yards per carry when our OL was an absolute hot mess.

Honestly, I think DCs are just figuring out Shula and his tendencies. If us fans sitting at home can oftentimes guess the play call, it's probably safe to say that actual professional defensive coordinators who study film religiously are probably pegging it a lot more often than we are. We end up running into stacked boxes a helluva lot. The defense knows we're likely to run then the play call comes in too late for an audible at the line. The result is usually three yards and a cloud of dust - IF we're lucky. When the opposing D knows what you're doing, you're forced on trying to out-execute them at every position. That might work in short yardage situations where a win is a yard or two, but it's a tough row to hoe all game long.

 

[Delhommey]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

The point is if you want to know whether something is true or not you have to ask intelligent questions. 

You first.

[Kevin Greene]

This is great stuff.

[Davidson Deac II]

8 hours ago, gmonjimbo said:

This might be off topic but when was the last time a Panthers RB had 100 yards rushing in a game or averaged 4.5 yards per carry with 15+ rushes?

Redskins game (14th game) last season.  Also Stewart averaged 4.5 a carry in the 15th game last season, but he only had 11 carries.  

[panthers55]

6 hours ago, Lumps said:

Why do you need 'facts' and numbers to back up Shula sucks comments? The fug. Watch the games and it's obvious no need to record everything and present it on here good lord. Saca posted numbers but who cares, how were those numbers not already obvious watching the games? I mean really P55 99% of posters see Shula sucks why do you need more? You think they're all wrong and must be something else because they don't have stats? Just being dumb I mean my god.

Those numbers Saca presented tell you little to nothing about how much our formation gives away what we are going to do. No variables are controlled for, there is no context and no comparison to the league average. Basically they are useless. They aren't wrong, they are inadequate to prove his point. If you can't see that then no need to go further since you clearly have no understand of how to analyze numbers and statistics like 90% of the people here.