Guess How Predictable The Panthers Running Game Is?

[CarolinaSamurai]

24 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    This is just not true.

 

    If this were true. We'd see the same teams in the playoffs every year. Very few teams win every year. I mean, come on. The NFL is a tough place to win. But, by all means let's disregard that fact, just to throw some shade at Rivera.

Yes it is we are the most inconsistent team in the NFL and it's not even close. Want some proof?

 

[cookinbrak]

Most teams pass out of the shotgun, except for us when we had the "Read Option". Rather not go back to that.

[panthers55]

27 minutes ago, Icege said:

So... you asked if Stew has a rushing TD or a receiving TD to prove that he's not a reliable back to catch passes when his 1 TD so far is a receiving TD?

Were you looking to be proven wrong or just so desperate to defend Shula that you're okay with being his own personal Sean Spicer? I'm not sure what you're trying to do now, but you're definitely not trying to make sense. >.>

Don't think they were in the same context. The Stewart comment was in response to someone saying we only run Stewart up the middle and never pass and that we only run CMC around the corner. I never used that to determine if he was a reliable passing threat. That was your confabulation not mine. My comment about Stewart being a reliable catching threat was to point out he dropped an easy pass over the middle. Try and keep up....

[iamhubby1]

11 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Yes it is we are the most inconsistent team in the NFL and it's not even close. Want some proof?

 

 

    I am sure that whatever that graph states makes your point for you. If  could read it, I might just agree. Lots more upward trajectories, whatever that means.

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Imagine that. A running team, opening the game with a running play. 

 

    It really seems as though there are a lot of folks around here don't realize who they are watching. They want the Panthers to be like Madden, and I am afraid that is not going to happen.

 

    We are not going to Air it out. We are a Defensive minded team, that wants to impose their will on the opponent. Being physical, and running the ball not only does that, but it also shortens the game. Some teams will get frustrated by that approach, and start to press. That can lead to mistakes, which is another byproduct of how we run our Offense.

 

     Rivera has a winning record with this approach. And apparently, that is just not good enough for a lot of folks. Really, just ask them.

Winning record but no consistency. If you want to be a vanilla smash mouth offense fine, you don't need Cam to do that. Don't go get all these playmakers and talk about a dynamic offense when all you want to do is just play ball control and not make mistakes. You could do that with Derek Anderson at QB. 

[jfra78]

10 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I am sure that whatever that graph states makes your point for you. If  could read it, I might just agree. Lots more upward trajectories, whatever that means.

This was posted here a month or so ago (can't remember who). It rated all teams consistency and we were by far the most inconsistent team in the league, and it wasn't even close.  It said that we were so inconsistent that it became consistently inconsistent.  Their words not mine, but we have been up and down forever

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Winning record but no consistency. If you want to be a vanilla smash mouth offense fine, you don't need Cam to do that. Don't go get all these playmakers and talk about a dynamic offense when all you want to do is just play ball control and not make mistakes. You could do that with Derek Anderson at QB. 

 

    You can have a great QB, and still want to run the ball. It is not a one or the other type thing. 

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Oh wee mayne.

Pretty much, defenses know we're running under center, and passing in shotgun. Not exactly the most creative or evolutionary approach to keep defenses on its heels.

So, yeah.

Got more info for @panthers55 so he can see even more about our predictable offense.

 

So now that I am off work let's examine the issue. For Shula to be worthy of criticism he would have to be more predictable than the league average in those situations. The average for all OCs in those formations would need to be significantly different or it wouldnt be noteworthy.  It seems those lines were taken from a chart. Do you access to that? Then the other part of predictability regardless of formation would be down, distance and circumstance.. For example on third and 10, what are we going to do 95% of the time? Pass. What about 1st and five? Are you going to run knowing you have 2 more chances to get the 1st or do you use that same logic to air it out on a deep bomb. Which is conservative and which is bold. Predictable is not really as germaine until there is a context. What about 3rd and 1. If this comes on the heels of 2nd and 1 and we failed on a run, what will we do. Is it predictable to run or throw in that situation ?

So to determine whether Shula gives away what we are going to do by how we line up you need to eliminate the obvious plays where everyone knows what we are going to do regardless of how we line up. When it is first and goal at the 1 what are most teams going to do?  What are we going to do with Cam at QB and Stewart in the backfield? Is that predictability of playing to our strength? What if we throw out of the shotgun because Cam is more comfortable in the pistol, he has run his whole career. Is that a function of predictability or probability of success? So eliminate the obvious and then let's examine how much our formation gives away what we do. Because supposedly the goal this year is to run and pass out of the same formations in order to confuse the defense. Through two games where are we?

[Chardee MacDennis]

Guys...none of this would be an issue if the darned Hog Mollies simply did their job and won the LOS battle. 

 

Also, it is a little bit ridiculous that we consistently have the same issue over and over again every single year with getting plays off in time. I posted this same thing 2 years ago and last year: how many timeouts have been flat out wasted because of this issue? 

 

Not to mention, why do we always seem to be snapping the ball, or clapping for it, just as the playclock winds down to 3..2..1? Like, all the blitzers have to do is take off just as it hits 1, knowing either a penalty will be called for delay of game, or they've perfectly timed their rush and immediately have a leg up on the pass protectors. This happens EVERY SINGLE GAME MULTIPLE TIMES. Is this part of the plan? Is this Cam's fault for waiting too long to see/read the defense, in combination with it taking too long for plays to get called in? I hate seeing it. There is simply zero creativity, zero change the defense will be caught off guard by anything we do. And hence why defenses have been able to stop us so easily the past 19 games. 

 

Something has got to change. When was the last time Cam threw out a hard count and got the defense to bite? When was the last time our WRs didnt run 15 yard routes in 3rd and 3? Or 6 yard routes on 3rd and 11? When was the last time we went no huddle? Or got up to the line quickly to catch the defense off guard??? It's SOOOO predictable. 

 

Read option only works when theres actually a threat the QB will run it. Or when the OL isnt fighting off blitzes every passing down.

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Pretty much, defenses know we're running under center, and passing in shotgun. Not exactly the most creative or evolutionary approach to keep defenses on its heels.

You know what this means, right?

Its Cam's fault.

He's ignoring those brilliant audibles provided by the Shula Savant.

[CarolinaSamurai]

11 minutes ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

Guys...none of this would be an issue if the darned Hog Mollies simply did their job and won the LOS battle. 

 

Also, it is a little bit ridiculous that we consistently have the same issue over and over again every single year with getting plays off in time. I posted this same thing 2 years ago and last year: how many timeouts have been flat out wasted because of this issue? 

 

Not to mention, why do we always seem to be snapping the ball, or clapping for it, just as the playclock winds down to 3..2..1? Like, all the blitzers have to do is take off just as it hits 1, knowing either a penalty will be called for delay of game, or they've perfectly timed their rush and immediately have a leg up on the pass protectors. This happens EVERY SINGLE GAME MULTIPLE TIMES. Is this part of the plan? Is this Cam's fault for waiting too long to see/read the defense, in combination with it taking too long for plays to get called in? I hate seeing it. There is simply zero creativity, zero change the defense will be caught off guard by anything we do. And hence why defenses have been able to stop us so easily the past 19 games. 

 

Something has got to change. When was the last time Cam threw out a hard count and got the defense to bite? When was the last time our WRs didnt run 15 yard routes in 3rd and 3? Or 6 yard routes on 3rd and 11? When was the last time we went no huddle? Or got up to the line quickly to catch the defense off guard??? It's SOOOO predictable. 

 

Read option only works when theres actually a threat the QB will run it. Or when the OL isnt fighting off blitzes every passing down.

2015 was the last time he pulled a D offsides that I can recall. No huddle and making hard counts just screwing with players. Man I miss it 

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, ecu88 said:

2

.

9

AVG

that is all........

"Power run"

lol

Without Cam, its "RBs constantly getting hit in the backfield" run.  Because they see Shula Savant's brilliant genius formations and they know exactly what's coming.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

It blows my mind people bitch about Shula in every thread every day over and over as if it is going to change anything.

We're fans on a fan forum. None of us are changing anything. 

Is your constant defending of Shula despite the piling mountains of evidence suggesting that the guy is a clueless hack changing anything? 

[LinvilleGorge]

30 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So now that I am off work let's examine the issue. For Shula to be worthy of criticism he would have to be more predictable than the league average in those situations. The average for all OCs in those formations would need to be significantly different or it wouldnt be noteworthy.  It seems those lines were taken from a chart. Do you access to that? Then the other part of predictability regardless of formation would be down, distance and circumstance.. For example on third and 10, what are we going to do 95% of the time? Pass. What about 1st and five? Are you going to run knowing you have 2 more chances to get the 1st or do you use that same logic to air it out on a deep bomb. Which is conservative and which is bold. Predictable is not really as germaine until there is a context. What about 3rd and 1. If this comes on the heels of 2nd and 1 and we failed on a run, what will we do. Is it predictable to run or throw in that situation ?

So to determine whether Shula gives away what we are going to do by how we line up you need to eliminate the obvious plays where everyone knows what we are going to do regardless of how we line up. When it is first and goal at the 1 what are most teams going to do?  What are we going to do with Cam at QB and Stewart in the backfield? Is that predictability of playing to our strength? What if we throw out of the shotgun because Cam is more comfortable in the pistol, he has run his whole career. Is that a function of predictability or probability of success? So eliminate the obvious and then let's examine how much our formation gives away what we do. Because supposedly the goal this year is to run and pass out of the same formations in order to confuse the defense. Through two games where are we?

Just curious, but how much does a man make for cradling Mike Shula's balls full time for a living?