Guess How Predictable The Panthers Running Game Is?

[backINblack28]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Especially one who is tired of all the opinion and innuendo and calls out folks who can't back up anything they say. Take you for instance. Let's run a half back screen. Duh. Two problems. What is Cam's completion % on passes behind the line and within 5 yards of the line? How great is Stewart catching the ball? Did you see the pass last week that hit him in the hands and he dropped it? 

Did you see the screen to CMC where he ran for 15 yards. Maybe we didn't run them in the past because they didn't work because we didn't have a good back who was quick and has good hands. Maybe we are running them now because we have a good back who can catch the ball.

We had Ginn for years who had the worst drop rate in the history of the universe.  Does that mean you don't throw the ball to him ever again?  The point of doing that fake to CMC and going to Stew is that the defense knows we don't use Stew for it.  That was the original point of the thread, that we're not disguising run and pass by lining up and running under center or throwing under shotgun a ridiculous majority of percentage.  If QB/OC/anyone had the mentality of 'oh poop he had an opportunity and he dropped it guess we'll never throw to him again,' well.  IDK how that would turn out.  You should turn in an application and we'll find out.

[Icege]

The next Shula apologist I see I'm slapping them with this post the same way I slapped sanjay with the breakdown of those 14 snaps Funchess got without KB.

[panther4life]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I watched all the games last year. Yes our OL has and still continues to be an issue but we should not consistently be running the play clock all the way down to zero just to get a call in. Shula isn't a first year OC.

Play is either in with at least 15 seconds left on the play clock or not in at all. NFL cuts the communication off at the 15 second mark.

[Ace_Aladdin]

26 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So how is the OLine problems playcalling? Was he frustrated when he missed the wide open pass over the middle where he had nothing

 but green grass ahead of him.

 

39 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Exactly what I said in the CMC panic thread.

Our play design is awful, and it hampers our offense even more when we can't even get the play call in without burning a timeout. Then you add our issues along the OL. It's surprising our offense has been able to function much at all.

This is what happened last year, people said Stewart stopped being effective, but it was clear we were not calling plays to our own players advantages. No RB is going to be able to get much room to work with under these circumstances.

We need to have CMC and J-Stew on the field at the same time, this gives you the flexibility to go power run or spread them out with motioning either on out as receiver. 

J-Stew gives you reliable pass protection while CMC can stretch the defense out in space and do it vice versa to keep defenses honest 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Here’s the context you’re looking for @panthers55

Come again about how I post stuff without understanding what I’m talking about.

Now we can actually have a discussion. I am not saying I am always right or only I have the answers. I am only saying back up your comments with facts so we can have an informed decision rather than innuendo and parroted comments.

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Rags said:

You know for someone who says "WHERES YOUR STATS" you never actually

 

Posts stats

I am not making the innuendo and attacking Shula. You are. Once you have actual numbers on your side we can actually have a discussion. That is all I am asking for.

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Now we can actually have a discussion. I am not saying I am always right or only I have the answers. I am only saying back up your comments with facts so we can have an informed decision rather than innuendo and parroted comments.

What a strange way to admit you were wrong.

[pantherclaw]

53 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Oh wee mayne.

Pretty much, defenses know we're running under center, and passing in shotgun. Not exactly the most creative or evolutionary approach to keep defenses on its heels.

So, yeah.

That's right man, any team that lines up in a shotgun formation is more than likely going to pass the ball. Plays under Center formation is much more run balanced.

Quick someone tell the league so every team can try to mix it up more.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, backINblack28 said:

We had Ginn for years who had the worst drop rate in the history of the universe.  Does that mean you don't throw the ball to him ever again?  The point of doing that fake to CMC and going to Stew is that the defense knows we don't use Stew for it.  That was the original point of the thread, that we're not disguising run and pass by lining up and running under center or throwing under shotgun a ridiculous majority of percentage.  If QB/OC/anyone had the mentality of 'oh poop he had an opportunity and he dropped it guess we'll never throw to him again,' well.  IDK how that would turn out.  You should turn in an application and we'll find out.

Look at the last 15 screens we ran before this year and tell me how they worked. Seemed to me if you don't get results you try something else unless we are looking for failure

 

[panther4life]

Such a small sample size right now. Considering we were intentionally burning up clock in both games to secure the win. Let's see how things shake out against N.O this week.

[*FreeFua*]

Once again another blind rant from P55 who has little clue what he's watching 

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Play is either in with at least 15 seconds left on the play clock or not in at all. NFL cuts the communication off at the 15 second mark.

This is where the questions about play design enters the fold.

At the end of the day you have to call plays to the strengths of your personnel. We aren't consistent enough at that.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

What a strange way to admit you were wrong.

Who says I am wrong or right. Discussions that are opinions go nowhere. Actually I am at work writing notes. I can respond quickly but need to look at what Saca posted to develop a response. So I will do some later. But if he is correct I have no problem with that. But at least his post has merit and some numbers to back him I suspect. It is worthy of debate.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Once again another blind rant from P55 who has little clue what he's watching 

Again I didn't don't do the attacking, you did. Just back it up or shut up. Simple....