Mike Shula has already cost us one Super Bowl

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Dex said:

Maybe Shula got offers but isn't interested? We don't know what happens behind closed doors in the NFL. This thread is pure speculation. The Shula bashing has gotten out of control.

Nah, man. What OC is going to turn down an HC interview, much less a gig? He is a Shula after all. And, no way in this day and age of the Internet and social media that we wouldn't have heard something. 

Not buying it!

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

it's one thing to admit a need for help and seek it out. it's another to implement and change and i don't really see that happening.

the mind is willing, but the decision making is weak.

I'm terrible at basketball.

Now, I could seek out the best advice in the world, set my mind on implementing the changes suggested to me, put in maximum effort practicing...

...and still be terrible at basketball. 

It's just not my thing. I don't have the gifts. I most certainly do have gifts, but the ability to play good basketball isn't one of them.

Reality is, sometimes all the desire in the world just isn't enough if the talent's not there.

[Hallin'AllDaeDae]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Weird. I could swear that sounds like an offense I heard of decades ago.

It was invented by a guy named Cory something...

Did we think we were going to stop running the ball 1st via power and #1 D priority stopping the run ?

We didn't ever need to evolve, just execute the plan better

[panther4life]

The offensive coordinator will always be the fall guy for poor execution but never given credit when things go right. It really is a team effort. He's not perfect but I think it would be fair to say lack of talent at the tackle positions and poor execution of plays have hurt us more than simply blaming Shula for everything. 

The huddle has collectively brainwashed itself into believing this nonsense that he is a bottom tier coordinator. He's not, it's an insult to Rivera's football intelligence for holding onto him if this was the case.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Hallin'AllDaeDae said:

Did we think we were going to stop running the ball 1st via power and #1 D priority stopping the run ?

We didn't ever need to evolve, just execute the plan better

I would actually agree that the talk about "evolving" is kind of stupid, but not for the reason you think.

The best programs in the league "evolve" on an annual basis. They adjust to their personnel, to what other teams are doing, to changes in the rules, etc. It's just part of the process.

To hear our coaches talk about "evolving", you'd I think it was the hardest thing in the world.

And maybe for them, it is.

[panther4life]

For those of you who think he sucks so much, what players have had better success under a different regime prior to joining the panthers or after leaving the panthers? 

To me it seems like he's gotten the most out of anyone. 

Off the top of my head here are players who have played under other coordinators

Tedd Ginn, Deangelo Williams, Brandon Lafell,Byron Bell, Mike Remmers, Greg Olsen, Ed Dickson, Steve Smith, Jericho Cotchery.,Michael Oher. Mike Tolbert, Philly Brown.

will edit as I think of more 

[Peppers90 NC]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

For those of you who think he sucks so much, what players have had better success under a different regime prior to joining the panthers or after leaving the panthers? 

To me it seems like he's gotten the most out of anyone. 

Off the top of my head here are players who have played under other coordinators

Tedd Ginn, Deangelo Williams, Brandon Lafell,Byron Bell, Mike Remmers, Greg Olsen, Ed Dickson, 

I agree and I am a fan of his system. Fans rather blame coaches/FO over their favorite player(s) because it's easier to do. I just believe his in-game ability is somewhat lacking.

[panther4life]

Just now, Peppers90 NC said:

I agree and I am a fan of his system. Fans rather blame coaches/FO over their favorite player(s) because it's easier to do. I just believe his in-game ability is somewhat lacking.

There is only so much you can do to compensate for the likes of Byron Bell, Mike Remmers, Michael Oher, Matt Kalil, getting worked over, or cam being rusty or having an off day,Or receivers dropping passes or running poor routes and not creating seperation.

[Peppers90 NC]

3 minutes ago, panther4life said:

There is only so much you can do to compensate for the likes of Byron Bell, Mike Remmers, Michael Oher, Matt Kalil, getting worked over, or cam being rusty or having an off day,Or receivers dropping passes or running poor routes and not creating seperation.

Thats why(he hasnt shown to make up for those deficiencies) he is an okay or maybe good OC but not great so he wont be considered for a HC job. That and he doesnt have the personality for a HC job.

[panther4life]

6 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Thats why(he hasnt shown to make up for those deficiencies) he is an okay or maybe good OC but not great so he wont be considered for a HC job. That and he doesnt have the personality for a HC job.

Plenty of great coordinators took a long time to get offered a head coaching job. Rivera and McDermott are prime examples of it. It's not a strong argument for those who says he's a bottom tier offensive coordiantor. That argument works if you want to says he's not elite, which I wouldn't. disagree with. 

Im just tired of seeing the collective huddle brainwash itself into believing he's the main downfall of our team right now, when there's no solid evidence to back that up. 

That and the tired argument of saying he takes to long to get plays in is a bad argument as well. The plays are in with at least 15 seconds left on the clock ( the NFL cuts off the helmet communication at this point).  That allows 25 seconds from the time the previous play ends until the play has to be in. Sometimes cam waste some of those seconds celebrating, hyping the crowd up vs listening to the call coming in.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, panther4life said:

For those of you who think he sucks so much, what players have had better success under a different regime prior to joining the panthers or after leaving the panthers? 

To me it seems like he's gotten the most out of anyone. 

Off the top of my head here are players who have played under other coordinators

Tedd Ginn, Deangelo Williams, Brandon Lafell,Byron Bell, Mike Remmers, Greg Olsen, Ed Dickson, Steve Smith, Jericho Cotchery.,Michael Oher. Mike Tolbert, Philly Brown.

will edit as I think of more 

Brandon LaFell, Ed Dickson and Michael Oher all have Super Bowl rings. And Byron Bell is currently part of the Dallas Cowboys offense.

You can argue the level of their contributions if you want to but it'd be pretty difficult to defend the notion that they've seen more success here than they did with other teams.

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

I agree and I am a fan of his system. Fans rather blame coaches/FO over their favorite player(s) because it's easier to do. I just believe his in-game ability is somewhat lacking.

I'm a fan of the Coryell offense. 

That doesn't mean I believe everyone who runs it does so effectively.

[panther4life]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Brandon LaFell, Ed Dickson and Michael Oher all have Super Bowl rings. And Byron Bell is currently part of the Dallas Cowboys offense.

You can argue the level of their contributions if you want to but it'd be pretty difficult to defend the notion that they've seen more success here than they did with other teams.

Clearly (apparently not) I was referring to their individual success/contributions to other teams success.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

Clearly or (apparently not) I was referring to their individual success/contributions to other teams success.

Except individual players owe more to their position coaches than their coordinator.

The OCs job is to scheme all the moving parts into an effective machine.

Shula can only really be credited with doing that for one season, and even then we played poorly in the latter half of games.

I like Shula far better as a QB coach than I do as an OC.