Shula unrest

[uncfan888]

I was told by someone with thirty years of football coaching experience that we are wasting shula's prime

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Whoever is the "mastermind" behind this style of offense is irrelevant. I'm simply saying that this is the style of offense we run and it will lead to less total yardage. I would disagree with your theory though, considering our first year under Ron/Chudzinski was not at all like that.

 

Also, if that's the argument you're going to make, then you're opening up a whole 'nother can of worms here. If you think Ron dictates the style of offense we run, then it's also not fair to put all the criticism on Shula if he's not given free reign of his offense. I disagree with that though, and I'm not sure what you're basing that off of.

Of course the head coach dictates how the offense plays

[Khyber53]

27 minutes ago, Dex said:

that dude is a Huddler.... JPowell or something.

 

The Shula bashing is getting out of hand. Our QB is rusty and inaccurate. Our tackles can't block poo. Our receivers can't get separation or are dropping touchdown passes. Basically we can't fuging execute and all you retards are too blind to see it. This was the best offense in the league two years ago with Shula at the helm with Cam healthy. Use your head instead of listening to the masses.

This a hundred times. The guy built a system under which Cam's talents could be used to their fullest as he developed as an NFL QB. Cam is a phenom, but had someone tried to plug him into a traditional offense it would have been terrible, or a complete read option one then he wouldn't have developed as well as he has. Our offense is still evolving (and will throughout the year... it doesn't get set in stone right after the last pre-season game.)

Our receivers have trouble getting open. It often gets blamed on "slow-developing" plays. Almost all of our passing plays send the receivers out in straight up receiving tree routes -- all the basics: hooks, slants, flies -- just the basics. Shula isn't telling them, I want you to drag here, do three pivots, head juke twice and button hook for the sideline. It's get off the line, hit your mark, look for the ball. Stuff pro receivers do every day. Our receivers are either big or fast, not both, and they are getting covered pretty well. Somehow they still get the ball and we sneak through a fairly big play once or twice a game. That's pretty good and standard for most NFL teams. Cam's got good accuracy, but he's not elite on that level -- very few are (Brees, Brady and Rogers might be the only ones in that group right now). He isn't a thread the needle kind of QB, and most importantly, he isn't trying to be. And waiting on those openings he can hit makes for a slow play every now and then.

And on those heavy coverages, the line only has so much time before the defenders get through. Even a three-man rush will break through eventually unless one of the linemen holds his man. And that is why holding is a penalty -- the line is supposed to be just temporary protection or otherwise the QB could stay back there forever while his linemen sat on the defenders.

And I think our running game is much better than it has shown so far. We've played two of the top 10 defenses so far. A couple more games and you will see how dominant JStew and CMC will be.

But man, get off Shula's back. His offensive schemes have resulted in playoff and Superb Owl appearances for our team. Last year's results were uninspiring, but really, 6-10 was a whole team effort in a season marred by injuries, losses to free agency, aging out of some players, a tough schedule and a very short off season.

 

[therealmjl]

42 minutes ago, Dex said:

that dude is a Huddler.... JPowell or something.

Yep it's @OldNorthPowell

[therealmjl]

20 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

There are lots of sites now that are basically huddle threads put in article form. Take it as a compliment. 

Must be real nice for your golden toilet fund.

[Castavar]

Oh please, Shula is hot garbage and has been his whole career. Save me with that BS. His offenses are ALWAYS bad in the redzone. His play designs are pathetic and not fooling anybody. Not to mention he NEVER adjusts and he continues to relay plays in at a snail speed, which causes us AT MINIMUM two burned timeouts a game (don't even blame Cam's helmet, this has been a recurring issue ever since he took over). His situational and flow playcalling is fuggin retarded. Never even tries to adapt to what's happening in-game (I mean seriously, Denver pass rush teeing off on Cam, and STILL did not call any slants or screens......yes, still salty about superbowl). I'm sick of all these Shula excuses. Look at the weapons on this offense......more than enough to get it done. He is just a bad OC.

[Chimera]

36 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

"Total yards" is a flawed metric for assessing the success of an offense. Our offense under Shula typically utilize these long demoralizing clock-killing drives where we run the ball down your throat and dominate TOP. Therefore slower drives = less possessions = less total yards of offense. It'd be a hell of a lot more useful to use a stat involving efficiency per drive rather than total yards.

This was true in 2013. We stopped trying to put together long sustained drives a while back.

His offense is generally above average between the 20s, on first and second down. As soon as he's in a long yardage situation or in the redzone, the wheels come off of this thing. That's where people's issues arise. There are simple adjustments that can be made, but Shula doesn't make them.

Super Bowl 50 was a perfect example of this. It was a one score game for most of the night. In a one score game, Shula assumes his game plan is working and will not make a change. Everyone watching knew 7 step drops and deep routes were killing us. But Shula... he didn't see that.

[tiger7_88]

24 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

If you think Ron dictates the style of offense we run, then it's also not fair to put all the criticism on Shula if he's not given free reign of his offense.

Or, like me, you could consider them both responsible.

As I've mentioned before, only Rivera/Shula could read the NFL rule book that in recent years has been almost re-written to advantage the passing game and scoring and to disadvantage the defense and think "Nah bro!  Let's run the ball and dominate time of possession and work for that final second field goal to win it!"

[Salisburysean98]

Between the 30s,  sure the offense looks great. That's a good thing, but on the 25 or 20 yardline... Just get KB the damn ball. 

[pantherclaw]

Can't fix stupid.

I'm not referring to Shula.

[electro's horse]

46 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

There are lots of sites now that are basically huddle threads put in article form. Take it as a compliment. 

or hucksters can see an easy mark.

[Darvinsun]

36 minutes ago, Dex said:

omg! Someone understands how the NFL works! Bravo sir, yes the offense and defense go hand in hand and it's Ron's call how they play.

Well both need to go because scoring points is a need just as much as defense rest..if shula cant call plays that score touchdowns within the redzone then he is still at fault..analyzing who you are playing against in defense should be the OC if a team is a bend don't break defense you have to take what they give you whether its a quick score or not .We need 7 points not 3. That is why literally everyteam we just about play has a good chance of beating us. When most teams we should be blowing them out.

[cookinbrak]

Remember that game where we scored few points than the other team, but we won because we had more total yards?

Yeah, nobody else does, either.0

[gakonline]

2 hours ago, rhyslloyd said:

My biggest issue with Shula (and Ron, honestly) is that he has no ability to adjust to the things they're seeing on the field.  We go into every game with a "game plan".  It either works or it doesn't.  Good coaches find a way to use the strengths of the tools they have in order to make them better.  Ron and Shula are not capable of that.  There always seems to be a small period(s) of a game where the offense starts clicking and hitting quick, short/intermediate routes, but then we go right back to the slow-developing routes ran by big, slow receivers.  It blows my mind.  Cam also needs to learn to take the 5-7 yards that defenses are giving to the underneath guy.  That's a mistake that an MVP with his experience can't make repeatedly.

I totally agree with everything you said. Shula does not adjust the offense to get the ball out quicker. Cam also has to change to use his hots and check downs. We have players and just get the ball into their hands. A five yard pass could lead to 20 yards in yac. If was frustrating to watch last and has continued into this year.