The Score (LOL): 5 teams that are likely already regretting their big-name FA signing

[grimesgoat]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Oh, conveniently overlook this part:

Did not overlook anything.  If he's cut after year two, the only number that matters is the $7.2m in dead cap.  If we wish to keep him, we will probably re-negotiate prior to 2019.  If he is a stud, we'll gladly pay those numbers.

That's what makes it a great contract - fairly small signing bonus and little risk during the first two years - then re-evaluate.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Did not overlook anything.  If he's cut after year two, the only number that matters is the $7.2m in dead cap.  If we wish to keep him, we will probably re-negotiate prior to 2019.  If he is a stud, we'll gladly pay those numbers.

That's what makes it a great contract - fairly small signing bonus and little risk during the first two years - then re-evaluate.

So explain to me why Oher got a contract like he did, which was very appropriate, and Kalil got the contract that he did (and how all of a sudden exponentially millions more is a deal). 

I'm not buying it. Kalil should have gotten a contract more in line with what Oher received, and I don't see how anyone can say anything different with a straight face.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So explain to me why Oher got a contract like he did, which was very appropriate, and Kalil got the contract that he did (and how all of a sudden exponentially millions more is a deal). 

I'm not buying it. Kalil should have gotten a contract more in line with what Oher received, and I don't see how anyone can say anything different with a straight face.

You refuse to look at the numbers, why should we explain anything to you?

The contract is almost exactly what Whitworth got...stop looking at the overall number, only Skip Bayless and Co. do that.

He was signed as a hope, a gamble.  If he becomes above average, the contract will look great, if he fails, we can cut him with very little damage.

It's not rocket science.

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You refuse to look at the numbers, why should we explain anything to you?

The contract is almost exactly what Whitworth got...stop looking at the overall number, only Skip Bayless and Co. do that.

He was signed as a hope, a gamble.  If he becomes above average, the contract will look great, if he fails, we can cut him with very little damage.

It's not rocket science.

Yeah, just like I thought. You can't explain to me why Kalil's contract was so much more than Oher's. Inflation doesn't explain it, cost of living doesn't explain it, body of work doesn't explain, and as much as you want it to, market doesn't explain it.

There is no explanation, but Gettleman's brain fart.

[rhyslloyd]

Do nothing:  You stupid fuger!  We need a LT! Trade picks:  You stupid fuger!  You can't mortgage our future!  Sign one of the few FA:  You stupid fuger!  This guy sucks, and you paid too much!

[UpstatePanther]

On 9/19/2017 at 9:04 PM, Saca312 said:

Two weeks in. Ryan Kalil wasn't playing, and it showed in the lack of communication.

On the first play, Matt Kalil just completely fails to block the edge rusher allowing quick pressure on Cam and so prevents the easy completion to McCaffrey. While this might look like ineptitude on Kalil’s part - something that cannot completely be ruled out - it is far more likely to be a failure to communicate responsibilities, with Kalil thinking that McCaffrey was meant to be blocking the edge defender.

However, if we only count weeks 1 and 2 without considering the other variables, Matt Kalil's worse than Oher, and it's not even close. But there's a reason the rest of the season is left to play. Let's see how it plays out with everyone healthy and the line developing chemistry.

how dare you come in here with rational thought Saca!

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

Do nothing:  You stupid fuger!  We need a LT! Trade picks:  You stupid fuger!  You can't mortgage our future!  Sign one of the few FA:  You stupid fuger!  This guy sucks, and you paid too much!

Not really, I was one suggesting that we take a chance with Kalil and got scoffed at. Kalil was always on my radar this offseason. My beef is the amount of money he got, money that could have been better allocated elsewhere. 

 

 

All you people chiming in, look at Michael Oher's contract vs Matt Kalil's contract, and view their respective body of work at the point in which their contract was signed, and then try and justify how the Kalil contract makes any sense.

You don't pay that much on a gamble, unless you're just flying by the seat of your pants with the Benjamin's hanging loosely out your pockets.

[thefuzz]

20 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah, just like I thought. You can't explain to me why Kalil's contract was so much more than Oher's. Inflation doesn't explain it, cost of living doesn't explain it, body of work doesn't explain, and as much as you want it to, market doesn't explain it.

There is no explanation, but Gettleman's brain fart.

Oh My God.

When it came to Oher, he had just been cut by Tennessee, after having a terrible year.  There were no suitors out there.  In easier terms, we weren't competing for his services.

That is not the same with Kalil.  Matt had offers elsewhere, most importantly where he was already playing, where he had a home, etc...he chose to come here.

Again, if you aren't going to look at the actual numbers, we can't have an adult conversation...all you see is 5 for 55...you don't look at the yearly cap hits, the multiple "outs" that we can take, etc....nope just the big number that means nothing.

[top dawg]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Oh My God.

When it came to Oher, he had just been cut by Tennessee, after having a terrible year.  There were no suitors out there.  In easier terms, we weren't competing for his services.

That is not the same with Kalil.  Matt had offers elsewhere, most importantly where he was already playing, where he had a home, etc...he chose to come here.

Again, if you aren't going to look at the actual numbers, we can't have an adult conversation...all you see is 5 for 55...you don't look at the yearly cap hits, the multiple "outs" that we can take, etc....nope just the big number that means nothing.

Whatever. I have looked at the numbers, and that's what's so infuriating.

Dude, there wasn't any NFL team out there willing to pay the amount of money that we did for Kalil's services. None! Zero! The Vikings weren't even willing to pay their guy that. LOL

[top dawg]

Keep discounting the Oher comparison all you like. I would too if I was trying to justify paying Kalil like he was some much coveted top prospect.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Whatever. I have looked at the numbers, and that's what's so infuriating.

Dude, there wasn't any NFL team out there willing to pay the amount of money that we did for Kalil's services. None! Zero! The Vikings weren't even willing to pay their guy that. LOL

You can look at something and still not understand it.

You have no clue what any other NFL team was willing to pay, none.  Yet you are sooooo sure huh?

There were multiple rumors that the Vikings had extended a 3 year contract out to Kalil, for roughly 30M...we esentially got him on a 3 year deal for 31M, with outs after the first and second years.

It's really not that hard to understand, but you refuse to actually do any research.

 

P.S. I'm on record here saying that I didn't love the contract or the player, but understood both.

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You can look at something and still not understand it.

You have no clue what any other NFL team was willing to pay, none.  Yet you are sooooo sure huh?

There were multiple rumors that the Vikings had extended a 3 year contract out to Kalil, for roughly 30M...we esentially got him on a 3 year deal for 31M, with outs after the first and second years.

It's really not that hard to understand, but you refuse to actually do any research.

 

P.S. I'm on record here saying that I didn't love the contract or the player, but understood both.

I understand that at those kind of numbers, I'd have left his ass on the shelf. I understand that I'd have rather paid Whitworth even more on a one or two year deal. I understand that I'd have put in more effort trying to land someone else with a better track record if that was the kind of money I was willing to pay. 

It's not rocket science. Sometimes you have to keep your hands in your pocket if the price is too steep. And, agree with me or not, that was too steep.

[grimesgoat]

52 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah, just like I thought. You can't explain to me why Kalil's contract was so much more than Oher's. Inflation doesn't explain it, cost of living doesn't explain it, body of work doesn't explain, and as much as you want it to, market doesn't explain it.

There is no explanation, but Gettleman's brain fart.

Kalil Cap hit year 1 = 3.6m.  Oher Cap hit year 1 = 2.4m.

Kalil Cap hit year 2 = 6.7m.  Oher Cap hit year 2 = 6.0m.

I don't see the giant discrepancy you are seeing.

[thefuzz]

Just now, top dawg said:

I understand that at those kind of numbers, Icd have left his ass on the shelf. I understand that I'd have rather paid Whitworth even more on a one or two year deal. I understand that I'd have put in more effort trying to land someone else with a better track record if that was the kind of money I was willing to pay. 

It's not rocket science. Sometimes you have to keep your hands in your pocket if the price is too steep. And, agree with me or not, that was too steep.

Again, you don't know the specifics, but are assuming that you do.

 

End of the day, we signed Kalil to a 5 year 55M contract, worth about 11M per year.

Whit signed a 3 year 33M contract, worth about 11 per year, but with much higher cap hits in his first two years, and the same cap hit in the third year as Kalil.

First year cap hit on Kalil 3.55M

First year cap hit on Whit 9.16M

Second year cap hit on Kalil 6.7M

Second year cap hit on Whit 12M

 

So lets say that both Whit and Kalil play two seasons, and are then cut or retire.  

Kalil would cost us just over 10M against the cap, and would carry a dead cap number of 7.2 that can be spread over 2 seasons.

Whit will cost the Rams over 21M against the cap, and carry a dead cap number of 1.66 that can be spread over two seasons.