The Score (LOL): 5 teams that are likely already regretting their big-name FA signing

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, csx said:

 

Gettleman was fired. What do you mean by pass? He's not here

Matt Kalil's relative over-the-top deal was no where in the vicinity of being commensurate with his career body of work. The contract was insane, and that's wholly on Gettleman as the GM at the time. All the excuses I'm hearing from some huddlers intimating that Kalil was the best or only option is crapola. Would you pay $5.99 for a lemon?

Gettleman wasn't fired for this malfeasance!

[TheRed]

It's still early, I'm not going to completely give up on him yet. But it's not looking too promising.

Also, if this signing does end up blowing up in our faces, there are no free passes. I said all along it was a steep price to pay on a gamble. You cannot condemn Hurney for his bad contracts yet casually overlook this one because of who signed him. Not if you want to be taken seriously.

[d-dave]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Matt Kalil's relative over-the-top deal was no where in the vicinity of being commensurate with his career body of work. The contract was insane, and that's wholly on Gettleman as the GM at the time. All the excuses I'm hearing from some huddlers intimating that Kalil was the best or only option is crapola. Would you pay $5.99 for a lemon?

Gettleman wasn't fired for this malfeasance!

Everyone knew that Matt Kalil was a talented player, but had injury issues as well as general play issues.  In today's NFL, you still get bit paying for talent.  I can see Gettleman's logic:  younger guy, play with brother, get better.  Good deal?

The issue with the price tag is that you almost always end up overpaying for a tackle.  They are that important.  Was it a great deal for us?  No.  But its the price of the deal.  Sure, Whitworth (old cincy guy) would have been a "better" OT for a year or two, but we'd still be looking for a LT sooner rather than later.  This was a gamble.  

Now it's only been two games, so we're going to have to hope that things get better.

[thefuzz]

This is infuriating.

Matt Kalil was signed here for two reasons.

 

1:  We were desperate at Tackle...this has been a constant on this team since Gross retired...and it's becoming a "thing" around the league.  In the past, you drafted a guy in the top 10 at that position, and you had a starter for a decade...that is gone.  It's not going to get easier either.

2:  He is young, he has/had talent at one point, and was coming off of injury.  We tried that with Oher a couple years before and had really good luck.

Now personally, I preferred Whitworth, but I can certainly understand the allure of a younger tackle that we could pair with our young QB and up and coming guards.  Not sure the gamble will work out, but I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet.  Cam has looked pretty bad and he only missed 1 offseason...Kalil has missed a lot of time recently...if we can give Cam plenty of time, let's at least give Matt a little as well.

As to the contract, it's not nearly as bad as many on here, and certainly not as bad as the idiot talking heads are making it out to be.  It's essentially a 3 year $31M contract, but he can be cut as early as this season, and if designated as a June 1 would count 4.5M against the cap in 18 and 19.  Whitworth's contract would pay him 2.9 per vs. 4.5...not a ton of difference when we just cut a punter that carried a 3M hit.

 

For years posters on this board have stupidly yelled for us to "DO ANYTHING" at the tackle position...well, we took a gamble with Oher, and it worked for a short time, now we gamble again, and it's not looking as good.

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Everyone knew that Matt Kalil was a talented player, but had injury issues as well as general play issues.  In today's NFL, you still get bit paying for talent.  I can see Gettleman's logic:  younger guy, play with brother, get better.  Good deal?

The issue with the price tag is that you almost always end up overpaying for a tackle.  They are that important.  Was it a great deal for us?  No.  But its the price of the deal.  Sure, Whitworth (old cincy guy) would have been a "better" OT for a year or two, but we'd still be looking for a LT sooner rather than later.  This was a gamble.  

Now it's only been two games, so we're going to have to hope that things get better.

I'm with everyone, hoping that things get better, but I will never understand the price, and it wasn't a deal. 

To me there is really little reason, if any really, as to why Oher's contract was what it was, and why Kalil's deal was far and away superior. There is really no justification other than maybe age, though I don't believe there were more than three years difference at the time of their respective signings (too lazy to check). Oher was arguably superior upon coming to Charlotte. He had certainly acheived more.

And speaking of age, sometimes having old stalwarts come in even on a turnstile if necessary is the most prudent option, especially if season after season goes by with your QB running for his life, or his growth being stymied because of fear of getting nailed, or outright acting as though he is a deer caught in headlights, or appears to simply be going through the motions because of frustration and the fact that the game is not fun anymore.

[top dawg]

44 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is infuriating.

Matt Kalil was signed here for two reasons.

 

1:  We were desperate at Tackle...this has been a constant on this team since Gross retired...and it's becoming a "thing" around the league.  In the past, you drafted a guy in the top 10 at that position, and you had a starter for a decade...that is gone.  It's not going to get easier either.

2:  He is young, he has/had talent at one point, and was coming off of injury.  We tried that with Oher a couple years before and had really good luck.

Now personally, I preferred Whitworth, but I can certainly understand the allure of a younger tackle that we could pair with our young QB and up and coming guards.  Not sure the gamble will work out, but I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet.  Cam has looked pretty bad and he only missed 1 offseason...Kalil has missed a lot of time recently...if we can give Cam plenty of time, let's at least give Matt a little as well.

As to the contract, it's not nearly as bad as many on here, and certainly not as bad as the idiot talking heads are making it out to be.  It's essentially a 3 year $31M contract, but he can be cut as early as this season, and if designated as a June 1 would count 4.5M against the cap in 18 and 19.  Whitworth's contract would pay him 2.9 per vs. 4.5...not a ton of difference when we just cut a punter that carried a 3M hit.

 

For years posters on this board have stupidly yelled for us to "DO ANYTHING" at the tackle position...well, we took a gamble with Oher, and it worked for a short time, now we gamble again, and it's not looking as good.

 

The contract should be what's infuriating. Kalil is paid just outside the top 10 this year for tackles. That's crazy! The fact that we're on the hook for at least each of the next two years in and of themselves for more than we paid Oher outright (at least initially) is maddening.

Cam had proven a lot pre-injury this season, so of course he gets more leeway. His contract may have not been the quintessential deal, but it was a good value. Kalil's situation is entirely different in both respects.

Oher was really a deal. Kalil not so much.

I have never been a let's-do-anything type of fan as it pertains to LT. I would have much rather had Whitworth this year, or Penn in years past (among others). I was the one that thought that we should let Hardy walk and throw some of that savings at Jared Veldheer to wrap up Cam's protection for years. Somewhere on these Huddle servers in the archives there is a thread started by me suggesting that very thing. I thought then, and I most certainly think now, that you can't be cavalier with your QB's blindside. Damn a question mark! Give me at least a period if not an exclamation point!

Money is hard to come by. A franchise QB is hard to come by. Championship hopeful seasons are hard to come by. Talented rosters are hard to come by. So to see any of it "spent" needlessly is what's fuging infuriating. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

 

The contract should be what's infuriating. Kalil is paid just outside the top 10 this year for tackles. That's crazy! The fact that we're on the hook for at least each of the next two years in and of themselves for more than we paid Oher outright (at least initially) is maddening.

Cam had proven a lot pre-injury this season, so of course he gets more leeway. His contract may have not been the quintessential deal, but it was a good value. Kalil's situation is entirely different in both respects.

Oher was really a deal. Kalil not so much.

I have never been a let's-do-anything type of fan as it pertains to LT. I would have much rather had Whitworth this year, or Penn in years past (among others). I was the one that thought that we should let Hardy walk and throw some of that savings at Jared Veldheer to wrap up Cam's protection for years. Somewhere on these Huddle servers in the archives there is a thread started by me suggesting that very thing. I thought then, and I most certainly think now, that you can't be cavalier with your QB's blindside. Damn a question mark! Give me at least a period if not an exclamation point!

Money is hard to come by. A franchise QB is hard to come by. Championship hopeful seasons are hard to come by. Talented rosters are hard to come by. So to see any of it "spent" needlessly is what's fuging infuriating. 

Again, the contract isn't as bad as you, and others make it out to be...it just isn't.

I'm not happy with the contract, I'm not thrilled with the player, but it's not the end of the world either.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

 

[top dawg]

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[top dawg]

Hit Alien Text by mistake. LOL

All riled up!

[thefuzz]

Just now, top dawg said:

Hit Alien Text by mistake. LOL

All riled up!

I'm with you on allocation of funds, but what if Whit didn't want to play here?  Or we missed on both him and Kalil?  Again, I'm not happy with the numbers or the player at the moment, but his contract isn't a back breaker in the vein of Beason, Stew, DWill, etc. from the past.

[Catufb85]

whats his contract details on cutting his a$$?  I was hopeful and hanging on as much as i can but so far this has looked like an epic fail signing.

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 hours ago, brandon_87 said:

He could have traded... Kalil was the "big name" out there, but nobody wanted him, not even his own team, viking fans were laughing at us haha 

 

Personally, I would have loved to see a trade for a starting caliber LT, but it is what it is  :'(

The Vikings signed Remmers. They don't have room to laugh at anyone. 

[csx]

I'll wait to use words like epic fail.