Shutting down the new Panthers "evolved" offense in two easy steps!

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

 

So you feel Shula called a great game yesterday. 

 

Got it. 

Nope I think he had a good game plan initially but without Kalil and after Olsen went down we struggled. Add that the Bills made some good adjustments in the second half and penalties and missed opportunities had us moving the ball but no points. The best drive was moving the ball on a 6 minute drive to go up by 6 and run the clock. Obviously we will have to be better the next 2 weeks on the offensive side so Shula has his work cut out for him.

Your posts are often insightful and reasoned but with Shula you seem to have no middle ground.

 

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

fwiw, I do believe that Shula and the coaching staff deserve at least some of the blame for poor execution.  And I believe that Buffalo deserves some credit for their play in the red zone.  That was a completely legal and very effective hit on Benjamin that took away what would have been a td on the first drive.  The pass from Cam was on the money, but the defender made a play.  Just have to take your hat off to them.  And while injuries are no excuse, they are a reason.  Our line is just not as good without R. Kalil at center. 

I do think that the offensive staff struggled to recover from missing Olsen and Kalil. Olsen would have been a big part of the offense given that Buffalo came out in.mostly cover 2 and seam routes are very effective which is Olsen's specialty.  The line play was awful across the ball. I just think that Shula gets personal blame for poor execution and penalties when the game plan at least in the first half was pretty good.

[Jeremy Igo]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Nope I think he had a good game plan initially but without Kalil and after Olsen went down we struggled. Add that the Bills made some good adjustments in the second half and penalties and missed opportunities had us moving the ball but no points. The best drive was moving the ball on a 6 minute drive to go up by 6 and run the clock. Obviously we will have to be better the next 2 weeks on the offensive side so Shula has his work cut out for him.

Your posts are often insightful and reasoned but with Shula you seem to have no middle ground.

 

 

If a military unit is sloppy, who do the generals blame? 

[CarolinaSamurai]

15 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Obviously logic and reason have no sway here when you have folks with agendas including the head of this site constantly inciting others with varying degrees of understanding about football about Shula based on a 15 year old grudge.  Truth is we moved the ball well to start off with short effective passing. How many drives we're stopped with holding penalties mixed with sacks and poor offensive line play. Buffalo most often rushed 5 and on delayed blitzes even 6.  You and I both know the line play was awful and missing Kalil hurt even more than Olsen. But let's not sprinkle this lynching with facts and reality. And poor redzone execution is due to no offensive push in the running game. Again an area we missed Kalil. 

Idk of it's a logic question but more we disagree on what points we failed at. Jordan hasn't been following this team since its beginning and this is her first year here. Anyone would think how she did if they didn't follow the team since we hired Shula. I think the problem with the O is Shula and I've thought that since seeing his first year as OC. To me he is exactly the same coach as he was then and he's not good. 

The main point is we disagree why our offense looks like crap. You blame the players, I blame Shula. Until we win a super bowl or fire Shula I will keep thinking the issues are on him. 

[panthers55]

Just now, Jeremy Igo said:

 

If a military unit is sloppy, who do the generals blame? 

The soldiers right on up to the head of the armed forces. They just don't only blame the head and give everyone a pass like you do.

[Kevin Greene]

As I said yesterday, McCaffrey needs to exist on the defensive side of the line of scrimmage 70% of offensive plays. Handing the ball to him off tackle 6 times a game is a waste. In other words, pass the frigging ball!

But we have an OC who takes the short bus to work every day. Cam will not survive another season with a blithering idiot calling plays Sundays.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Idk of it's a logic question but more we disagree on what points we failed at. Jordan hasn't been following this team since its beginning and this is her first year here. Anyone would think how she did if they didn't follow the team since we hired Shula. I think the problem with the O is Shula and I've thought that since seeing his first year as OC. To me he is exactly the same coach as he was then and he's not good. 

The main point is we disagree why our offense looks like crap. You blame the players, I blame Shula. Until we win a super bowl or fire Shula I will keep thinking the issues are on him. 

You find what you are.looking for. If you have decided Shula is the problem and ignore for example 2015 to focus on 2016 you see what you want. And I will always blame execution over gameplanning because having coached and played sports all my life albeit not at this high level, I know that execution is almost always 75% of the problem good or bad.

[Davidson Deac II]

Just now, Jeremy Igo said:

Most. 

Most of the blame. 

They have a team filled with vets, loaded with talent, and yet the same issues year after year after year. 

You don't have to be a fan of the NFL for very long to realize a better coach could come in and clean that poo up immediately. 

Looking at the big picture perhaps.  Looking at specific games, I am not so sure.   Fwiw, we moved the ball yesterday a lot better than I thought we would, especially given how poorly the run game performed.

 

Couple of things I have noticed over the years regarding the Panthers. 

 

Regardless of who our coach is, our run game seems to start out the season roughly and tends gets better as the season progresses. 

 

Cam sometimes struggles with the short passes.  When it comes to medium length passes, he can thread the needle.  And there isn't a better long ball hitter in the league.  The pass to McCaffrey at the goal line looked really bad, bad ankle or not and he knows it was bad. 

I do believe that as long as the d can keep us in the game, the offense will have a chance to get better as the season goes along.  That is what happened in 2013/14/15, and it could happen this year as well.  And if it doesn't, we might be looking at some new coaches next year. 

 

    

[Kevin Greene]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

You find what you are.looking for. If you have decided Shula is the problem and ignore for example 2015 to focus on 2016 you see what you want. And I will always blame execution over gameplanning because having coached and played sports all my life albeit not at this high level, I know that execution is almost always 75% of the problem good or bad.

We simply can't continue an offense from 2015 where a huge majority of the plays required Cam Newton to run the read option and get pounded every game, all season. Unless you feel that's all he's capable of running?

[panthers55]

Just now, Kevin Greene said:

As I said yesterday, McCaffrey needs to exist on the defensive side of the line of scrimmage 70% of offensive plays. Handing the ball to him off tackle 6 times a game is a waste. In other words, pass the frigging ball!

But we have an OC who takes the short bus to work every day. Cam will not survive another season with a blithering idiot calling plays Sundays.

I would think Taylor knows how to use him and as wide receiver coach he has plenty of input into the game plan. Seems with defenses keying on him we have to figure out how to use him as a decoy. But then again Stewart missing a 2 yard pass for example doesn't help.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Kevin Greene said:

We simply can't continue an offense from 2015 where a huge majority of the plays required Cam Newton to run the read option and get pounded every game, all season. Unless you feel that's all he's capable of running?

Our offense doesn't look like 2015 anymore. You have to keep changing and adapting and that is what we are attempting. My point was simply you can throw shade with out giving equal praise when things go well. Something that Shula never gets given people's negative biases.

[Kevin Greene]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Our offense doesn't look like 2015 anymore. You have to keep changing and adapting and that is what we are attempting. My point was simply you can throw shade with out giving equal praise when things go well. Something that Shula never gets given people's negative biases.

I always felt 2015's offense was based on a superior talent simply being more talented than the opponent. It was never due to a clever scheme. now that talent has been battered as he has been abused by defenses for years. Yeah we need to change, we also need someone capable of installing that change.

[CarolinaSamurai]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You find what you are.looking for. If you have decided Shula is the problem and ignore for example 2015 to focus on 2016 you see what you want. And I will always blame execution over gameplanning because having coached and played sports all my life albeit not at this high level, I know that execution is almost always 75% of the problem good or bad.

In 2015 we relied on Cam to have a MVP season. That's very rare. We also lost the Superbowl so 15-1 was basically a wash if you can't adjust and get out coached in the big game. You keep getting green dog blitzed but refuse to change your game plan? That's just bad coaching. 

How to explain us bringing in talent over and over and over again yet nothing's changed. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article173878506.html

I mostly agree with this quote.  

Don't have a problem with the playcalling for the most part.   But execution in the red zone was bad.  The coaching staff gets some blame for poor execution.

The problem with that is that it's been Mike Shula's MO pretty much since he took the job; decent playcalls for a wide open field, but not so good in the Red Zone.

And the overall design of the plays is still badly lacking.