Was it stupid to promote Matsko to "running game coordinator?"

[Khyber53]

25 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Not having Kalil hurt obviously, there were times the OL looked lost when the Bills brought an extra guy.

However, there were many plays that the Bills just rushed 4 and Kalil or Williams would just straight up lose their 1v1 matchup... badly.

It really was like watching the Super Bowl all over again but with Remmers playing both LT and RT

 

Yeah, only so much can be said about that. A few of those times, it was a case of good coverage downfield where Cam couldn't find a receiver -- all tackles are playing against a clock, they can only block their guy for so long resulting in the classic coverage sack. There were times, too, when they just got beat, I mean dog-whipped beat, off the snap.

We may see some changes at tackle before long if this keeps up. Keeping in a blocking back might help a bit, too, rather than the 5-receiver sets we were using a lot yesterday.

That being said, Buffalo has a remarkably strong defense, not-surprisingly very similar to our own just without the big names.

Edit to add: Our O-line was great against San Fran, and was beaten up mightily by Buffalo. The real story of our O-line quality lies somewhere between those poles.

[PhillyB]

2 hours ago, csx said:

I doubt putting some words in his title changed anything about his duties.

so he and ray brown are double teaming the same job? that seems unlikely 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

so he and ray brown are double teaming the same job? that seems unlikely 

I think the title change was a way to promote Ray Brown more than anything else. Now he's not considered an assistant anymore.

[poorboysrev]

2 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Overreacting here, who would think that QB coming off shoulder surgery and losing an All Pro TE wouldn't hinder the offense. 

 

Play calling  wasn't the issue it was more of Cam's accuracy & the inability to audible out of deep routes knowing the overload blitz was coming. 

Cam's decision making needs to improve especially with the loss of Olsen he needs to be more in command. 

 

Agreed but also by the time we get the play in and get to the line Cam has no time to audible and like another poster said that helps the other team's  pass rushers. So  some of that is scheme and Ron's emphasis on making sure our defense being rested is a priority over putting our offense in the best position sometimes. The first 2 games it's worked because defense was dominant and we were playing subpar offenses. I'm hoping we adjust that some the next 2 games against Brees and Brady. Does remind me a bit of the first couple games of the super bowl run against the jags and Texans(I believe), etc defense started strong and carried us a bit til the offense exploded. Hoping for de ja vu 

[PhillyB]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

I think the title change was a way to promote Ray Brown more than anything else. Now he's not considered an assistant anymore.

this seems facile and unprofessional. i doubt they changed both guys' titles to stroke their dicks while keeping their jobs exactly the same 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, PhillyB said:

this seems facile and unprofessional. i doubt they changed both guys' titles to stroke their dicks while keeping their jobs exactly the same 

LOL, you're in a "mood" today.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

8 hours ago, PhillyB said:

He went from a revered offensive line coach to a running game coordinator in 2016, which is likely less hands on and more scheme-based. His replacement is Ray Brown, who was Matsko's assistant for a few years.

Since 2016 we've been awful on the line. Any correlation to positional coaching?

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no correlation to positional coaching because the line's run blocking has been crap long before 2016.

i've stated several times over the years that stewart and newton have made the oline's run blocking look much better than it really is.

[Snake]

7 hours ago, PhillyB said:

fuck off idiot

[d-dave]

I think it's probably somewhere between the coaching needs to get better and the players need to execute.  Easy right?

Not really.  My hope is that the Panthers are able to find the correct balance as well as properly use our players to their strengths.  Buffalo is no joke on D.  McD wanted to come down and show up against us.  There was a lot going on in terms of subplots, it wasn't just a simple game for some folks.

We managed to eek out a win with an amazing defensive effort.  Something needs to happen by the time we face NO to remedy this OL play.

[KB_fan]

9 hours ago, PhillyB said:

Since 2016 we've been awful on the line. Any correlation to positional coaching?

Your argument / question might be more compelling if we were particularly good on the line in 2014 and 2015 and then obviously regressed.

We were garbage on the line in 2014.  (of course we had terrible players to work with much of the season!)

In 2015, yes, Matsko seemed to work wonders helping Michael Oher get a fresh start and at least keeping Remmers mostly serviceable at RT.  But I think much of our Oline success in 2015 came from few injuries and consistency.  Our Oline played together as a unit pretty much the entire season.  That matters.

In 2016 we all know the havoc injuries played with our line, leaving Norwell as the only starter on the line who stayed at his original position the entire season.

So far in 2017, we're breaking in a new LT with a QB who's hardly played in preseason, we've got a still young RT that we're not sure is really starter caliber, and yesterday all of a sudden we had to start our back up Center on extremely short notice.   So, I'd say this line has hardly had an opportunity to gel yet...  Give it another few weeks and then let's revisit this question, (and pray in the meantime that Cam doesn't get killed!)

[Khyber53]

5 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

So far in 2017, we're breaking in a new LT with a QB who's hardly played in preseason, we've got a still young RT that we're not sure is really starter caliber, and yesterday all of a sudden we had to start our back up Center on extremely short notice.   So, I'd say this line has hardly had an opportunity to gel yet...  Give it another few weeks and then let's revisit this question, (and pray in the meantime that Cam doesn't get killed!)

Cam can help himself immensely here by being more aware in the pocket of the pressures. Calls were coming in so slowly yesterday that I don't think he was getting time for good pre-snap reads. Also, would it kill us to design a few more roll outs and bootlegs? I know we wanted to cut back on Cam the rushing attack, but it doesn't mean he has to stand like a statue in the pocket does it?

 

[top dawg]

I think that the suck goes beyond coaching.

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Yeah, only so much can be said about that. A few of those times, it was a case of good coverage downfield where Cam couldn't find a receiver -- all tackles are playing against a clock, they can only block their guy for so long resulting in the classic coverage sack. There were times, too, when they just got beat, I mean dog-whipped beat, off the snap.

We may see some changes at tackle before long if this keeps up. Keeping in a blocking back might help a bit, too, rather than the 5-receiver sets we were using a lot yesterday.

That being said, Buffalo has a remarkably strong defense, not-surprisingly very similar to our own just without the big names.

Edit to add: Our O-line was great against San Fran, and was beaten up mightily by Buffalo. The real story of our O-line quality lies somewhere between those poles.

I took the liberty of highlighting a segment of your post. I agree with you on the tackle situation. Cam was facing way too much pressure off of the edge.  Under another topic I suggested switching things up a bit. I'd consider moving Matt to RT (we're paying him too much to bench him) and try Moton out at LT and see how that works. I'd also try giving D.Williams some snaps at LG. We fancy ourselves a running team. If that's the case then we need some maulers up front.

This may leave A.Norwell as the odd man out, but we've already given Turner a big extension. We may not be able to pay him this offseason with all of the holes we have on the team.  We need a 2nd passing threat at TE, a SS, and potential replacement for C.Johnson at LDE. Starr needs to be retained at DT to keep up strong up front, and we'll need a center soon because Ryan isn't getting any younger. In today's NFL you just can't keep everyone if you pay them what they're worth. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't see the point of having a running game coordinator. 

There isn't one.

 

1 hour ago, PhillyB said:

this seems facile and unprofessional. i doubt they changed both guys' titles to stroke their dicks while keeping their jobs exactly the same 

Also allows them to pay more money, since new title and all.

Worth remembering that coaching staff moves like this come under Rivera's authority, not the GMs.

I'm not that big a fan of Matsko as is, so giving him any more duties isn't exactly my ideal.

Did something more than their titles change?  Unknown, but I gotta admit it's an interesting coincidence.