Honest question about Shula....

[csx]

6 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

Ever watch the Patriots?

Or the Vikings... last night and that's why I brought it up.

Mckinnon as the 3rd  rb had a one of his 3 runs on their first possession.

[tondi]

To use the word you choose I would concede that Shula is probably an "adequate" OC. However there there isn't a player on the roster I would not be seeking to upgrade if they were best described as adequate, and the same should apply to the coaching staff.  Adequate gets you 8-8 most seasons. We should strive for more.

[London Loves Luke]

I think the thing people don't get is how many defensive head coaches would kill to have an OC like Shula.

Yes there are flashier OCs and better passing playbooks out there, but to be able to draw up that time killing 4th quarter on the request of your head coach because your two starting CBs have cramp is the sort of poo that can win championships. 

There's a reason so many ex coaches call our run game one of the best and most creative in the league.

[EightyNine]

The fact that people are complaining about this shows how unreasonable the extreme Shula haters are.

[Cary Kollins]

Super Bowl 2015

 

As a fan with no vested interest aside from emotional satisfaction, I could see that the only way Denver could beat the Panthers was if Von Miller went off.

Did Shula show this same concern? Signs point to no. In a meaningless regular season game that year there was much more attention given to JJ Watt than Von Miller in the Super Bowl. For that, I blame Shula.

[csx]

41 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Is that not CMC that he fakes it to? There were other plays where they used him as a decoy and it worked like a charm. It just didn't work this time. It happens.

 Yep. Most of the defense was actually following CMC. The left side of the OL got beat on that one.

[grimesgoat]

11 minutes ago, Goondal said:

In eight years as an OC his offense has never ranked in the top ten in yards and only once ranked in the Top 15 (eleventh in our SB year)

In eight years as an OC his offense has only ranked in the top ten in points once (first in our SB year) and only one other time ranked higher than eighteenth (fifteenth last season)

It was great to see the team lead the league in scoring two years ago but his career statistics show it to be an outlier.  The team eighth in giveaways that season (fourth in '13 was the only other time in the top ten) but first in turnover margin, which leads one to believe that the defense causing turnovers was a catalyst in the eleventh ranked offense leading the league in scoring.

Not trying to take anything away from him in '15, it was his best season, but outside of that one season his peak has been a league average offense.  Mediocrity should not be the goal.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ShulMi0.htm

Thank you for linking these stats.  Very interesting.  I tend to discount the TB years as he was very young and I do not know what their philosophy was.

But the Panthers want to be a running, ball-control team and they want a top 5 defense.  A high scoring offense is not usually paired with a top 5 defense.  Middle of the pack is fine.  This is exactly what Shula delivers.  Few turnovers, efficient clock management and ball control using the running game.  This keeps the defense fresh and aggressive.

The only stat that really matters is 64%.  That is Shula's winning percentage as offensive coordinator.  I would be interested to see how that stacks up against other offensive coordinators over the past 4+ years.

[csx]

I don't think Shula is great or really even good. However, the nitpicking without context gets absurd.

[CarolinaSamurai]

Here is my biggest argument against Shula in this game. You can't blame it on anyone else. Why did we have KB and funch running double out routes when you have Byrd and Samual on the roster and you know they are burners. It makes a long develpoing play that against a good D would have gotten Cam sacked. 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

4 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Here is my biggest argument against Shula in this game. You can't blame it on anyone else. Why did we have KB and funch running double out routes when you have Byrd and Samual on the roster and you know they are burners. It makes a long develpoing play that against a good D would have gotten Cam sacked. 

What plays are you talking about? Did Cam not have other options?

[CarolinaSamurai]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

What plays are you talking about? Did Cam not have other options?

See it's not about options it's about running two big slow receivers down field. It makes zero sense. Even as a deception it's completely impractical. They arnt fast enough to pull coverage doing that and it keeps the D low cause they don't have to give much space worrying about getting burnt. It's a terrible choice. Even one of them being Byrd, Samuel, or CMC would have made the D respect it.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, CarolinaSamurai said:

See it's not about options it's about running two big slow receivers down field. It makes zero sense. Even as a deception it's completely impractical. They arnt fast enough to pull coverage doing that and it keeps the D low cause they don't have to give much space worrying about getting burnt. It's a terrible choice. Even one of them being Byrd, Samuel, or CMC would have made the D respect it.

First of all, they are not as slow as you say. KB and Funchess have both made big plays downfieldSecondly, it matters a LOT if Cam has other options that can get him 5-6 yards and move the chains rather than throw an incompletion or an INT 40 yards down field, not to mention the fact that he has the ability to audible out of the play if he doesn't like the match ups.

[Darvinsun]

Fozzy being active over CAP is one that I scratch my head over...It seems that no matter what CAP does he will never be play in a regular season game...Even if Stew is hurt he will get few snaps. Dont know if thats Shula or Ron.

Play calling you still can be creative and do more than just run up the middle 2 str8 times. IF you want to wear out your defense and allow the opponents to comeback then this is a good way to do it. Anytime your offense steps out on the field it should be to get a first down, score a touchdown, or field goal even if you have a lead.  Too many times I have seen us have a lead and give it away nust by doing what Shula play calling does. Your intent should be get a first down which kills play clock or score points.. If your play calling is just to kill clock 9/10 your going to witness a comeback or a loss which neither should happen with a big lead. This may be Rons fault.

Play design may be fine but personel grouping most of the time is off. We have speed but we use it for blocking for out routes with slow receivers. I guess he thinks he is fooling the opponents but like someone said before they have tape and they know our tendencies..Change something up...We are wasting these wr samuels bryd shepard funchess. 

CAM my man has to survey the field and get it to the best option.

[CarolinaSamurai]

8 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

First of all, they are not as slow as you say. KB and Funchess have both made big plays downfieldSecondly, it matters a LOT if Cam has other options that can get him 5-6 yards and move the chains rather than throw an incompletion or an INT 40 yards down field, not to mention the fact that he has the ability to audible out of the play if he doesn't like the match ups.

KB and funch on the outside running deep down feild is the absolute dumbest idea. They are slow what in the world are you talking about. And it doesn't give you a good short pass because no defense is scared of being burned by either of them so why would they give special attention to them vs a crossing route or run. And you can't audible getting different players on the feild that's just a bad argument