PFF: Refocused Car-23 SF-3

[tiger7_88]

9 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Dude, you really do get testy when anybody criticizes Cam. I thought he was great in the 2nd half, but that first half was horrible and nobody but us cares whether it was rust or not. Just let it go. We all know that PFF is just a tool we can use to judge players and not the end all be all. That doesn't mean it's unfair or not useful at all.

Stop projecting.  I didn't like PFF when they thought Luke Kuechly wasn't that good his first couple of years.

[top dawg]

PFF is a good tool, and that's why probably most (now) franchises use it, as well as many agents and players come contract time.  Their grading system is not based upon context, and rightfully so, otherwise it would be basically partial and worthless. It's up to the coaches, execs, and everyone else (including fans if they so choose) to provide the context.

I just don't get what's so difficult to understand about that, but haters gonna hate regardless. 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Stop projecting.  I didn't like PFF when they thought Luke Kuechly wasn't that good his first couple of years.

I'm not projecting anything. You are very sensitive when it comes to Cam Newton and criticism. I have seen it over and over and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I don't have a problem with you at all, but I have to call it like I see it. Cheers.

[tiger7_88]

5 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

I'm not projecting anything. You are very sensitive when it comes to Cam Newton and criticism. I have seen it over and over and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I don't have a problem with you at all, but I have to call it like I see it. Cheers.

And, again, I'm not critical of PFF because they are being critical of Cam on this occasion.  I'm critical of PFF because I've always been critical of PFF.  The fact that Star didn't make one of their highest grades for this game tells me all I need to know about their "system".  Its on par with ESPN's QBR in my opinion.

Cheers to you as well.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

And, again, I'm not critical of PFF because they are being critical of Cam on this occasion.  I'm critical of PFF because I've always been critical of PFF.  The fact that Star didn't make one of their highest grades for this game tells me all I need to know about their "system".  Its on par with ESPN's QBR in my opinion.

Cheers to you as well.

OK. You said it was unfair though. That's simply not true. They grade everybody the same way.

[KaseKlosed]

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Still don't get how PFF comes out with these grades just a few moments after the game's ended without looking at All-22, defensive assignments and playcalls.

Plus, the fact Star's name isn't on there is criminal. He was a huge reason for the defensive line's success.

Starr was a beast I agree. However I also agree that we didn't see any evolution that ppl were screaming about with the addition of cmc. Also cmc nearly fumbled twice more before the real fumble. It looked like defenders were more focused on stripping the ball rather than  tackling him with solid fundamentals. Hopefully the playbook gets better and cam gets better as well. 

[Saca312]

@top dawg It's when PFF is this supposed end-all-be-all tool that where it becomes a problem.

It's a good starting point, just like Wikipedia is for any research project, but it cannot be the full-on-end-all of anything because of the nature of how impossible it is to be completely accurate in grades without even All-22 coming out.

For example, look on the regular game screen and tell me what the safety is doing. Normally, you'll see them shifting in the secondary and changing up a few things that you won't be able to see. Not to mention who's assigned what, because it's impossible to see until All-22 comes out.

PFF is a good reference tool to start with, but it isn't the best. It's never an end-all-be-all.

[tiger7_88]

5 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

OK. You said it was unfair though. That's simply not true. They grade everybody the same way.

OK, this is the last thing I'll say about it.

Just because a system is unfair to everybody doesn't reclassify it as "fair".  A system that is unfair to everybody is exactly that, UNfair.

Hypothetical: I run the best night club in Charlotte.  EVERYBODY wants to get in because it is so fun and awesome.  However, to get in, I require that every customer gets punched in the mouth to enter the door. *EVERY* customer, man or woman.  I treat everyone equally, without regard to gender, social status, or wealth.  Is my system "fair"?

So here I will end my explanations.  I will agree to disagree with you.  Be well.

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

CMC just needs to learn to hit the whole and stop the dancing. L. McCoy and L. Bell learned that the hard way too. I'm not upset with Cam's grade. It's the commentary that came with it. You just expect so called "experts" to at least throw the context in to their explanation of their grade if they're going to add their opinion. "but if they are to truly compete they need him to play better than this" is what annoyed the hell out of me. It's like, no poo Sherlock but the guy only threw two preseason passes. Rust was inevitable and probably should have been put in the commentary. That's all. Is that too much to ask? I get if he never had a shoulder issue and played like this but damn. Where's my smallest violin?

[Snake]

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Still don't get how PFF comes out with these grades just a few moments after the game's ended without looking at All-22, defensive assignments and playcalls.

Plus, the fact Star's name isn't on there is criminal. He was a huge reason for the defensive line's success.

It's done by eye sight and that's why is not very accurate imo. 

[AggieLean]

No complaints about any of the grades. Cam's start was pretty bad, and for him to finish yesterday with a grade in the high 60's was a great sign to me, considering his start. He probably should've played a series or 2 that final preseason game. 

[top dawg]

Never said it was the end-all-be-all, but it is a major tool in today's modern NFL @Saca312, and for good reason. People can believe it's some fly-by-night operation all they like, but it's not going to change PFF's importance to the NFL.  

[top dawg]

Hell, SAC's, you should love them considering that they watch more film than anyone (including the all 22 film). 

They are---like it or not---the premiere grading system for the league.

[panthers55]

11 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I take these grades with a grain of salt.   While they are interesting to read I don't stress them too much. Unless you know everyone's assignment on every play you don't really know.  While it may look that someone screwed up, it could have been because someone else screwed up.  

This 500%. People think watching film tells you everything but it doesn't. It shows you what happened but unless you know the playbook, our formations and audibles, and what was actually called on every play you don't know what was supposed to happen just what did happen. That can be very different given we often run several different plays out of the same formation.