So, How Can The Panthers Stop Shanahan's Offense?

[rayzor]

here's something to consider...the 49ers have 3 division games in a row after we leave.

are they going to want to lay all their cards out on the table for a week 1 non-division game? i would think not, but again, it all depends on just how competitive he is. maybe he wants to find out where any kinks are before they go into seattle next week and we're a good way to find that out?

[TheRed]

Last I checked, Julio Jones is still in Atlanta.

Having the best WR in the NFL helps.

[rayzor]

38 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If you are talking about at Cleveland in 2014. If that is the system the 49ers will run then there will be little problem.. I assumed it would be the one he used in Atlanta. Unless you think that it is the same system which.lemds credibility to the notion that a system is only as good as the players running it.

from what i have seen and understand, it is pretty much the same system/philosophy. for sure he's added to it and improved it along the way, but still basically the same. just like anyone, there's always chinks in the armor somewhere and hopefully we have seen enough from him over the past couple years to know where they are. shanny working with lesser talent and our defense being upgraded and healthier helps as well.

 

[iamhubby1]

3 hours ago, rayzor said:

here's something to consider...the 49ers have 3 division games in a row after we leave.

are they going to want to lay all their cards out on the table for a week 1 non-division game? i would think not, but again, it all depends on just how competitive he is. maybe he wants to find out where any kinks are before they go into seattle next week and we're a good way to find that out?

 

So, you are thinking that Shanny may treat this game as a glorified scrimmage type thing? Kinda makes sense. Scheme wise, we are similar to Seattle Defensively. He very well could use this game to tweak his offense as he gets ready for Seattle.

 

On the other hand, he does have a young team. He may just hope to get the W and start the season with a win, and some confidence. So he may just try and throw the kitchen sink at us. Anything to put points on the board.

 

Either way. I think he is going to throw some weird things at us. But in the end, we just have too much talent for them. If we don't implode, we should win handily.

 

 

[rayzor]

32 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

So, you are thinking that Shanny may treat this game as a glorified scrimmage type thing? Kinda makes sense. Scheme wise, we are similar to Seattle Defensively. He very well could use this game to tweak his offense as he gets ready for Seattle.

On the other hand, he does have a young team. He may just hope to get the W and start the season with a win, and some confidence. So he may just try and throw the kitchen sink at us. Anything to put points on the board.

Either way. I think he is going to throw some weird things at us. But in the end, we just have too much talent for them. If we don't implode, we should win handily.

i don't know. don't know what he's thinking. it could be that he's focused  on the division or maybe he's just focused on getting that team wins regardless of who they are playing (which is actually how i would do it). focus on winning each game and let the division shake out how it's going to.

whatever his motivation, our motivation has to be to just unleash hell on them just because they are on the schedule. screw this whole start slowly thing. you can't do that. first couple games of the season sets the tone for the rest of it.  you can't second guess that or look back and go "well...a coupe years ago we started out slow and then built momentum and did well."

what sets perennial champions apart from flashes in the pan is that they treat each contest like it's a championship game. the bigger picture for them is the team in front of them and they have to do what they can to destroy them and every lead they get against that team like they are behind. annihilate each team or be annihilated. embarrass them or be embarrassed.

you have to have a killer mindset. i see that in quite a few of our players and it's growing. i see that in cam and luke for sure. i think they are the leaders there.

what i don't like is i don't see that in our coaching staff or our GM (although i used to see that in the GM before we fired him).

[Cover2]

Do they have Julio or freeman 

 

 

 

I think not... Players make the schemes not the other way around.

[PandaPancake]

Spot them 25 points.

[rayzor]

Just now, Cover2 said:

Do they have Julio or freeman

I think not... Players make the schemes not the other way around.

they've got carlos hyde, tho. and they've got pierre garcon who led the league in receptions when shanny was his coach. of course he's several years older, but he's still got some skill and looked pretty good in preseason despite having hoyer throw to him. he may not be julio, but he thrives in shanahan's system. shanahan always has at least on WR and one RB that thrives and because of those two, others are able to exploit weaknesses which makes goodwin lethal as well.

point is, we should win this handily, but hopefully we don't take it too lightly and recognize just how devastating shanahan's offenses have been to us recently.

he may not have the high caliber weapons he had in ATL, but if we are relying on that for the win, he may not need to have them. if we show any weakness in preparation/game-planning, execution, or ability to adjust we will get embarrassed out there.

[trueblade]

If the Panthers defense is as good as I think it will be, they will need to be ready for teams trying all kinds of weird stuff (fake punts, trick plays, etc.) to move the ball.

[beastson]

The panthers taking away the short pass, I doubt. Since Ron has been here, it's don't get beat deep, give up underneath.

The panthers goal is to get to the QB

[iamhubby1]

40 minutes ago, rayzor said:

they've got carlos hyde, tho. and they've got pierre garcon who led the league in receptions when shanny was his coach. of course he's several years older, but he's still got some skill and looked pretty good in preseason despite having hoyer throw to him. he may not be julio, but he thrives in shanahan's system. shanahan always has at least on WR and one RB that thrives and because of those two, others are able to exploit weaknesses which makes goodwin lethal as well.

point is, we should win this handily, but hopefully we don't take it too lightly and recognize just how devastating shanahan's offenses have been to us recently.

he may not have the high caliber weapons he had in ATL, but if we are relying on that for the win, he may not need to have them. if we show any weakness in preparation/game-planning, execution, or ability to adjust we will get embarrassed out there.

 

Hyde CAN be a threat. Garson CAN be a threat. Goodwin CAN be a threat. With competent QB play, those very well could be plenty of weapons. Shanny loves to use play action, which plays into Hoyer's hands. Get that run game going, so that play action works. And technically, they could be a tough matchup.

 

On the flip side. Our front 4 is very capable of putting a huge dent in the run game. Which allows our LBs that extra half second needed to diagnose a play. Making play action that much less effective. Which really does limit what they can do. Hoyer can be good, but he can't carry a team. Or at least he hasn't shown that ability yet.

 

If we can limit the effectiveness of the run, to take the play action out of the equation. Limit the big plays, and our own mistakes. Then this game is, for all intents and purposes, a glorified scrimmage for us.

 

We should have a top 10, if not better, Defense. We should have a top 10, if not even better, Offense. And we have a happy, and excited Cam. He is back baby. And that should scare everyone.

 

If we want to be taken seriously. This game needs to be the starting point.

 

Thanks for giving me the platform to get that out of my system. We really do have the makings of a very good team. Dang, this game is going be fun.

 

 

 

 

 

[Verge]

Not having Bene Benwikere covering Julio Jones 1v1 would be a pretty good start.

[lightsout]

Whoever said players matter more than scheme knows nothing about football.

Scheme allows worse teams to beat better teams. If football games were determined by which team had the best players, New England certainly wouldn't be a playoff team every year (a lot of their starters are very average, but their system allows them to be successful).

Georgia Tech is lacking in talent yearly. They compete with a lot of teams on scheme alone offensively.

The Browns don't get blown out weekly. Why? Because they have schemes that keep them in games a lot (even though they rarely capitalize). 

That being said, scheme isn't everything. Shanahan had a lot of tools at his disposal in Atlanta and he used them all. Not one or two of them, all of them .He let his athletes go make plays and gave defenses a lot to look at and prepare for. It's impossible to prepare for everything, so you have to lock into what they like to do most often.

In Atlanta, Shanahan loved running off-tackle and setting play-action up off of that. He also liked crossing routes and quick hitters at the numbers.

In San Fran, more of the same most likely. He'll have less talent to do it with and Brian Hoyer at QB. The deep shots won't be there because Hoyer isn't going to consistently make that throw and San Fran's OL is pretty average. If our DL shows up hungry, pass rush should get there for at least a few sacks and several hurried throws. So quick hitters on drags and slants and the occasional flare to the inside man in trips sets will be the order of the day.

If we can force Hoyer into having to throw the ball downfield by taking the quick hitters away and doing enough offensively to take SF out of their gameplan and rely on Hoyer instead of a ball-control run-heavy game, we'll lock this up by double digits.