We have Jerry Richardson to "thank"

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Gettleman taking Shaq Thompson who we have no full time role for over Landon Collins

Taking Devin Funchess over Tyler Lockett

Taking Kony Ealy over Allen Robinson

I could go on so just stop. You and all your sheep praise Gettleman for his "eye for talent" and considering the man clearly had no other skills whatsoever you'd think someone with his "eye for talent" wouldn't miss on as many picks as he did. 

How many games have we won over the last few years vs under Hurney?

I realize you like to come on here and say ignorant stuff just to make people mad, but come on...

[Mark S]

7 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Gettleman taking Shaq Thompson who we have no full time role for over Landon Collins

Taking Devin Funchess over Tyler Lockett

Taking Kony Ealy over Allen Robinson

I could go on so just stop. You and all your sheep praise Gettleman for his "eye for talent" and considering the man clearly had no other skills whatsoever you'd think someone with his "eye for talent" wouldn't miss on as many picks as he did. 

 

 

You could literally say that about every GM ever. Hindsight bias. Yes sometimes better players are taken after our pick. If only Gettleman could have seen 3 years into the future! All other GM's can!

[*FreeFua*]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

How many games have we won over the last few years vs under Hurney?

I realize you like to come on here and say ignorant stuff just to make people mad, but come on...

I do enjoy me a good post like that every now and then. A sit back and watch post!

But seriously, Gettleman was the beneficiary of the natural progression made by Cam going into year 3. Year 3 is a crucial year and if Marty was here for that he too would've been praised, he just never got to see his plan through. 

Like I've said a billion times, I want Hurney gone as much as you but I was thrilled when Gettleman got canned. Then of course like everyone else I was kicked in the nuts when Hurney was re hired. 

As a fan of the Panthers, WE should all want better. Take a step back and look at the core of this roster. I'm the last person to talk up one of our rosters but the core we have is VERY solid. There isn't an excuse good enough to excuse the fact that we still haven't had back to back winning season. We have enough talent to be in the SB conversation each year but we're not. 

Finding a GM to take this roster to the next level shouldn't be as hard as they're making it. We can only sit here and pray that the next guy is better than the last 2 but I'm sure just like you, my expectations are very low.

[*FreeFua*]

11 minutes ago, Mark S said:

You could literally say that about every GM ever. Hindsight bias. Yes sometimes better players are taken after our pick. If only Gettleman could have seen 3 years into the future! All other GM's can!

Not sure why you're telling me this. I wasn't the person who directed this conversation towards ones draft history.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I do enjoy me a good post like that every now and then. A sit back and watch post!

But seriously, Gettleman was the beneficiary of the natural progression made by Cam going into year 3. Year 3 is a crucial year and if Marty was here for that he too would've been praised, he just never got to see his plan through. 

Like I've said a billion times, I want Hurney gone as much as you but I was thrilled when Gettleman got canned. Then of course like everyone else I was kicked in the nuts when Hurney was re hired. 

As a fan of the Panthers, WE should all want better. Take a step back and look at the core of this roster. I'm the last person to talk up one of our rosters but the core we have is VERY solid. There isn't an excuse good enough to excuse the fact that we still haven't had back to back winning season. We have enough talent to be in the SB conversation each year but we're not. 

Finding a GM to take this roster to the next level shouldn't be as hard as they're making it. We can only sit here and pray that the next guy is better than the last 2 but I'm sure just like you, my expectations are very low.

The best GM in the league isn't going to be able to accomplish anything with this coaching staff. And you're not going to get a GM here with free reign to do what needs to be done with Jerry Richardson interfering.

I have little doubt Gettleman could have built a perennial contender here, but he had no inclination to change coaches and the Boston "all business" approach was never gonna jibe with Richardson.

I'd love to be an optimist right now but from where I sit, we're screwed for the foreseeable future.

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The best GM in the league isn't going to be able to accomplish anything with this coaching staff. And you're not going to get a GM here with free reign to do what needs to be done with Jerry Richardson interfering.

I have little doubt Gettleman could have built a perennial contender here, but he had no inclination to change coaches and the Boston "all business" approach was never gonna jibe with Richardson.

I'd love to be an optimist right now but from where I sit, we're screwed for the foreseeable future.

You're more of an old school guy so I understand why you liked Gettleman. He believed in old school things. 

• Run run run 

• win in the trenches

• front 7 on D

However for someone who stressed the importance of the trenches and with his strength apparently being his "eye for talent" he failed at finding tackles (Oher was serviceable and Kalil we have no idea) and defensive ends. 

He would fall in love with the hog mollies or front 7 in the draft (Shaq, Vernon, Ealy) while passing up what guys like Landon Collins and Allen Robinson. He just didn't value some of the playmaking positions and that's where I didn't agree with him. 

The game is changing and Gettleman refused to change. I'm not saying what he believed in isn't important but he wasn't able to find a balance. This is why I was really disappointed to see Beane leave, I think he has a good understanding of the new NFL white incorporating the old style too. 

[Smithers]

1 hour ago, ARSEN said:

14 years ago woooo

Well he has been gone for 4 years...and how many teams make it to the Super Bowl every 10 years?  A few, maybe.  

[panthers55]

Gettleman's problems we're both his strengths and led to his undoing. He was a hard negotiator who cared nothing about loyalty or personal feelings. He was good at picking the trash pile and finding some hidden gems. He did look to the future and never believed we were just a couple of players away from winning it all.

The problems were he totally underestimated veteran leadership and chemistry.  He was so much about the money he let guys like Norman go over a couple of million a year. Then we were constantly in building mode and never the solid contender because once guys showed they were worth good money we let them go with the exception of a handful of players like Luke, Cam, KK, etc. So we're great one year and sucked the next as we revamped everything, then the next year was great followed by another crap year. We were built for the future and it was always down the road. Add he thought he could replace anyone and not miss a beat along with getting in pissing contests with owners, players, and agents and his stay had run it's course. Gettleman was great digging you out of a hole but he couldn't sustain the team. Then again it must be hard to do because Hurney struggled to do the same.

[Saca312]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

He would fall in love with the hog mollies or front 7 in the draft (Shaq, Vernon, Ealy) while passing up what guys like Landon Collins and Allen Robinson. He just didn't value some of the playmaking positions and that's where I didn't agree with him. 

Literally drafts Christian McCaffrey and Curtis Samuel, two of the biggest playmakers from the 2017 draft class. So this "oh hur dur he doesn't change" literally makes zero sense.

Landon Collins sucked big time his rookie year, and Shaq Thompson is already showing why he's going to be an elite LB soon. I'd make that move anytime. Vernon Butler will be a pretty dang good DT soon. Ealy's a bust, but hindsight is 50/50 as people thought Ealy was a first round talent as well.

 

[Saca312]

Just now, panthers55 said:

 

The problems were he totally underestimated veteran leadership and chemistry. 

*Hurney goes ahead and cuts Webb - which the locker room doesn't like - then proceeds to make stupid decisions such as keeping 2 mediocre kickers on the 53 man roster *

[panthers55]

Just now, Saca312 said:

*Hurney goes ahead and cuts Webb - which the locker room doesn't like - then proceeds to make stupid decisions such as keeping 2 mediocre kickers on the 53 man roster *

Cutting Webb was unpopular but not that big of deal. And if he is keeping 2 kickers so he can trade one for a decent draft pick it could end up a great move. It is too early to tell.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

*Hurney goes ahead and cuts Webb - which the locker room doesn't like - then proceeds to make stupid decisions such as keeping 2 mediocre kickers on the 53 man roster *

I agree.

Gettleman wouldn't have wasted a draft pick on a mediocre kicker :(

[Saca312]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Cutting Webb was unpopular but not that big of deal. And if he is keeping 2 kickers so he can trade one for a decent draft pick it could end up a great move. It is too early to tell.

Yes, because someone's going to want Gano while guys like Novac are literally sitting out on the open market with better production than Gano.

Any team trying to trade for one of our kickers would legitimately be dumb to do so. Even having 2 kickers on the active roster is completely stupid, extending a "Kicker competition" that should've ended week 4. 

You cannot defend these moves. It's absolutely moronic no matter how you put it.

[panthers55]

Sure you can defend them. But not to someone who is so close minded he isn't open to a discussion.