We have Jerry Richardson to "thank"

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

I agree.

Gettleman wouldn't have wasted a draft pick on a mediocre kicker :(

Hurney wouldn't waste a future second and use up a third to convert a small school QB to WR/returner/wtf (Edwards), nor would he waste a future first on a scrub like Everette Brown.

Oh, he definitely wouldn't waste a pick on a guy they never even watched tape on either, right? (Clausen)

[Saca312]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Sure you can defend them. 

Lol. Go for it. Just completely destroys any sense of credibility you have. There is absolutely no excuse to keep two kickers on the 53 man roster, period. It's dumb. It's stupid. There's literally no positives, and there's no way anyone's going to try and trade for us right now because of the fact we kept them on the roster.

 

[Ja Rhule]

18 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Well he has been gone for 4 years...and how many teams make it to the Super Bowl every 10 years?  A few, maybe.  

As someone who married to Patriots fan the answer is ALOT!

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Hurney wouldn't waste a future second and use up a third to convert a small school QB to WR/returner/wtf (Edwards), nor would he waste a future first on a scrub like Everette Brown.

Oh, he definitely wouldn't waste a pick on a guy they never even watched tape on either, right? (Clausen)

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[Mr. Scot]

20 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

You're more of an old school guy so I understand why you liked Gettleman. He believed in old school things. 

• Run run run 

• win in the trenches

• front 7 on D

However for someone who stressed the importance of the trenches and with his strength apparently being his "eye for talent" he failed at finding tackles (Oher was serviceable and Kalil we have no idea) and defensive ends. 

He would fall in love with the hog mollies or front 7 in the draft (Shaq, Vernon, Ealy) while passing up what guys like Landon Collins and Allen Robinson. He just didn't value some of the playmaking positions and that's where I didn't agree with him. 

The game is changing and Gettleman refused to change. I'm not saying what he believed in isn't important but he wasn't able to find a balance. This is why I was really disappointed to see Beane leave, I think he has a good understanding of the new NFL white incorporating the old style too. 

You've got it backwards.

Gettleman didn't have any say in the offensive philosophy, or the defensive philosophy  for that matter. No GM in the league does (unless you count Belichick). That's not how it works.

The "run run run" style is Rivera's choice. Heck, you can go back and read his own words about how he felt pressure to change but stuck to his guns after conversations with guys like John Madden.

That meant Gettleman, as he himself has stated, going after guys who fit the approach Rivera wanted to take. Some GMs might try to meddle (it sours the relationship) but Gettleman was quite vocal about the fact that Ron's decisions were his to make.

Remember, the talk of "offensive evolution" that we're this season started before Gettleman left. And it was Gettleman who drafted McCaffrey and Samuel. Again, this was the coaches choice, and like any other NFL GM would, Gettleman went out and got the guys he wanted.

GMs have the same relationship with coaches that voters do with politicians. They can hire and fire them, but once they're in place they get to run their own show. If Gettleman wanted to change philosophy, he'd have had to fire Rivera. He probably should have, but he didn't. Now he's gone.

You're looking in the wrong place.

[Cats Pride]

7 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Lol. Go for it. Just completely destroys any sense of credibility you have. There is absolutely no excuse to keep two kickers on the 53 man roster, period. It's dumb. It's stupid. There's literally no positives, and there's no way anyone's going to try and trade for us right now because of the fact we kept them on the roster.

 

The 2 kicker thing was stupid and at this late date just less than a week  before the first week I don't see them pulling a deal now. The other teams have the Kickers they have and will use in week one and won't change that less than a week before there game. If Gano looks great in week one and some other teams kicker gets injured or is a disaster then it is possible a deal is made. I think the Panthers are stuck with 2 Kickers in week one as sad as it is.

[panthers55]

49 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Lol. Go for it. Just completely destroys any sense of credibility you have. There is absolutely no excuse to keep two kickers on the 53 man roster, period. It's dumb. It's stupid. There's literally no positives, and there's no way anyone's going to try and trade for us right now because of the fact we kept them on the roster.

 

Sure there is a good rationale. For example we have 2 guys who can come off IR by week 6 I believe so we will need a roster spot then. So we can keep both kickers for the next several weeks to see if Butkur is the real deal. If so we can or trade Gano and use that spot for Corn Elder or someone else we want to bring back. That way we don't have to make a decision for a few weeks and we were going to get rid of one or the other eventually. But this way we can hedge our bets until we bring a player off IR. There are other scenarios but this is the obvious one.

How many games did we lose by 3 points or less? Was it 6 games or something around there. In how many did we miss a field goal? I don't know but if we have to have two kickers and no third string quarterback to win 3 or 4 more games just by improved kicking then I am in. LOL to anyone who thinks winning the kicking game is less important than keeping the third string quarterback.

 

[Mark S]

52 minutes ago, bull123 said:

to characterize Smitty as a bad locker room presence and assume what we would have to pay Josh to keep him is exactly why DG is gone and why JR made yet another good decision to get rid of him...those were BOTH huge failures as far as I am concerned

certainly have not seen teams lining up to hire DG have we?

JR does things that I don't agree with as well (wish he would speak more publicly...wish our home stadium wasn't filled with the yellow coat fan police telling us to sit and clap politely instead of encouraging screaming at the other teams...wish he had fired fox a year before he tanked our team)

JR is a bit conservative but without him we have no team and the players love him...And with him in charge there will NEVER be a Kap on our team

he loves the Carolinas and is OUR owner...we would not have a team without him and I will ride with him and OUR team until we get to where we want to be

I can guarantee you that Gettleman will fill one of the first 3 GM positions to open up. What team wouldn't want a GM that was able to take a team out of cap hell and take them to the Super Bowl in the process?

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Mark S said:

I can guarantee you that Gettleman will fill one of the first 3 GM positions to open up. What team wouldn't want a GM that was able to take a team out of cap hell and take them to the Super Bowl in the process?

Given the NFL is an old boy network, it depends on what Richardson says about him and whether owners think the positives outweigh the negatives and overlook the negative. I would hope that time away gives him room for reflection and I hope that  he doesn't stay arrogant but stays humble and learns from his mistakes. He definitely deserves a chance elsewhere.

[NeedSumD]

I'm thinking if you don't like the way the Big Cat is running things. Pony up a billion and then you guys who I'm not sure but if I had to guess don't run a billion dollar football team ever day can run it however you see fit!!!  LOL

[Mark S]

24 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Given the NFL is an old boy network, it depends on what Richardson says about him and whether owners think the positives outweigh the negatives and overlook the negative. I would hope that time away gives him room for reflection and I hope that  he doesn't stay arrogant but stays humble and learns from his mistakes. He definitely deserves a chance elsewhere.

I'm sure his track record will outweigh an 81 year old's opinion that "He was too mean to my family. I mean players."

[Mark S]

8 minutes ago, NeedSumD said:

I'm thinking if you don't like the way the Big Cat is running things. Pony up a billion and then you guys who I'm not sure but if I had to guess don't run a billion dollar football team ever day can run it however you see fit!!!  LOL

That's such a terrible take. Just because he's rich and can afford to own the team doesn't mean all his decisions are perfect and without fault. 

[panthers55]

44 minutes ago, Mark S said:

I'm sure his track record will outweigh an 81 year old's opinion that "He was too mean to my family. I mean players."

I suspect it was closer to he doesn't do what I told him to do and pisses everyone off. I guess each owner has to decide how much autonomy they give GMs. Especially when they couldn't produce back to back winning seasons.

[NeedSumD]

1 hour ago, Mark S said:

That's such a terrible take. Just because he's rich and can afford to own the team doesn't mean all his decisions are perfect and without fault. 

So I'm guessing you wasn't pissed off when the G man dumped Smith, Or when he took away Normans franchise tag.  Or when he drafts three players in the same position every draft.  Shall I go on, And its not a terrible take Big C owns the team so if he asks you to do something you do it. If you don't you get fired that's the way a job works.