Marty Hurney Vent Thread

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Where were you when Gman refused to address the OT and SS positions for 3 years?  My point is...they both have their faults.  But the Hurney haters are all a sudden coming out in full force based on his past mistakes.  You hear the word?  PAST.  So apparently it is a historical debate.  

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[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's what you're missing.

Hurney had all those same guys but still had a losing record with them.

You can blame Rivera (which is a dodge) but Hurney lost with Fox as a coach too.

Throw in that Hurney's poor cap management put the team in an awful position to build around that core you wanna talk about.

Hurney was just not a successful GM, and no amount of spinning from you or anybody else can change that.

You see in none of this crap does Scott answer the question ask him..

Who started out with more talent on the roster??

Who had the easiest path to success??

 

[WOW!!]

Most GM's get fired for not finding what Gman already had on the roster day one...

Franchise QB

Passrush

And Blindside protection..

 

[grimesgoat]

30 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

This post is so full poo...

A 34 wr who still had 2 to 3 more 1,000 yards season in him. 

2 RB both proven and put up 1,000 yard seasons..

Still a quality starting LT..

Probowl center..

3 guys with  passrushing potential. 

Potential the best LB corp in the league..

And 2 franchise buliding pieces..

You can frame it how you want but most GM's day one don't get this much of a foundation to build on..

And the fact you're making star and Short the major reason we won 2013.. let's me know you don't know poo..

SS averaged around 800 yards from 2013-2016 (Gettleman's tenure).  He certainly did not have 2-3 more 1,000 yard seasons in him, he had exactly 1.

Neither Deangelo nor Stewart have had 1000 yards in Gettleman's time.  The last time either of these guys ran for 1000 was in 2009, 4 years before Gettleman got here.  Not exactly building blocks.

An LT that would need to be replaced in 1 year and no money to do it.

I assume you are including Frank Alexander as one of the stud pass rushers (lol).

The linebackers were solid as long as Davis' knee held up and Beason recovered from his injuries (which he never really did).

Good god - the team was 15-33 the prior 3 years.  How good could they really be?

I can't figure out if you are trolling or just don't know much about the panthers.

[Mr. Scot]

47 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

You see in none of this crap does Scott answer the question ask him..

Who started out with more talent on the roster??

Who had the easiest path to success??

 

I'd call it about even actually, but here's the thing: The longer Hurney had control of the roster, the worse it got, and the worse the cap got.

Now, you'll scream that's wrong, but again - as I've tried repeatedly to explain - your opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is results.

Hurney had the same core but couldn't build a good enough roster to even get past 500. Gettleman built rosters that not only went to the playoffs, but accomplished the greatest season in Panthers history.

Like I said, keep spinning all you want, but your opinion is irrelevant.

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

SS averaged around 800 yards from 2013-2016 (Gettleman's tenure).  He certainly did not have 2-3 more 1,000 yard seasons in him, he had exactly 1.

Neither Deangelo nor Stewart have had 1000 yards in Gettleman's time.  The last time either of these guys ran for 1000 was in 2009, 4 years before Gettleman got here.  Not exactly building blocks.

An LT that would need to be replaced in 1 year and no money to do it.

I assume you are including Frank Alexander as one of the stud pass rushers (lol).

The linebackers were solid as long as Davis' knee held up and Beason recovered from his injuries (which he never really did).

Good god - the team was 15-33 the prior 3 years.  How good could they really be?

I can't figure out if you are trolling or just don't know much about the panthers.

Option C: Doesn't know much about football in general; wants to discredit Gettleman because he cut Steve Smith.

Wow isn't really someone you can have a good football conversation with. I'm only messing with him today out of boredom/amusement.

[rico6]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

This post is so full poo...

A 34 wr who still had 2 to 3 more 1,000 yards season in him. 

2 RB both proven and put up 1,000 yard seasons..

Still a quality starting LT..

Probowl center..

3 guys with  passrushing potential. 

Potential the best LB corp in the league..

And 2 franchise buliding pieces..

You can frame it how you want but most GM's day one don't get this much of a foundation to build on..

And the fact you're making star and Short the major reason we won 2013.. let's me know you don't know poo..

Can't lie, that guy's post was cringy af.

[rico6]

2013 was a success because the front 7 played at a legendary level. In fact, Hardy, Johnson, TD, Luke, Star, Short made Melvin fuging White a starting CB for crying out loud. Saying rookie Star and Short are the reasons is about the dumbest poo I've ever seen.

[Cyberjag]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd call it about even actually, but here's the thing: The longer Hurney had control of the roster, the worse it got, and the worse the cap got.

Now, you'll scream that's wrong, but again - as I've tried repeatedly to explain - your opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is results.

Hurney had the same core but couldn't build a good enough roster to even get past 500. Gettleman built rosters that not only went to the playoffs, but accomplished the greatest season in Panthers history.

Like I said, keep spinning all you want, but your opinion is irrelevant.

I personally think Gettleman started out with a better roster, much better in fact at a couple of critical positions.  However, he also had immediate cap issues and decent but not great draft position.  Hurney started out with some pretty good talent but glaring holes, and the number 2 overall pick.  Gettleman inherited a coach, Hurney got to choose his own.  Not sure which situation I would prefer if I was qualified to take a job as a GM, but I think it would be Gettleman's simply because he had a franchise QB.  I do wonder what sort of coach he would have chosen had he been able to though.

Judging them both over their first four years, it's just about a wash to me.  Both went to a Super Bowl.  Both had two very good seasons and two that were pretty disappointing.  Gettleman got lucky in that the NFC South as a whole was crap, allowing us to win the division at 7-8-1.  Your statement "The longer Hurney had control of the roster, the worse it got, and the worse the cap got" strikes me as wrong, or poorly thought through.  Hurney inherited a 1-15 roster, made it into one that was well respected league-wide, and then proceeded to blow it up through a series of bad decisions and bad contracts.  He navigated Free Agency fairly well, especially in the first half of his tenure.  Gettleman was unable to do that because of the aforementioned cap issues, but did find a few gems (thank you, pro scouting department).  Bottom line is simple--If you take a real dispassionate look at each GM after four years, as a fan you would be pleased with either. Hurney got seven more and pretty much shat the bed, and Gettleman didn't get a chance to but there's no saying he wouldn't have.  I mean really, who would have predicted it with Hurney after four?  The Panthers were RELEVANT!  That was huge at the time, and I know you were around here and remember it.

One thing they both have in common is that they were fired by JR.  I won't try and defend all of the crap Hurney did that got him fired (I'm not THAT stupid), but WOW's point about Gettleman's reaction to great seasons is valid.  He made decisions that got us in great shape cap-wise but they hampered our ability to build on success--and he did it twice.  None of us know what really went on behind closed doors, but the timing of his dismissal is just bizarre and suggests that there's a lot we don't know about.

I think JR tapped Hurney to be interim because Beane was gone and he didn't know who he could trust.  I also think that one thing Hurney did well was manage the little stuff, and help plug holes during the season (who saw us signing Vinny T., anyway?).  And he's going to do that this year, then get replaced.  He won't have the opportunity to mess around with the draft order, and he won't be handing out big contracts in a desperate attempt to keep someone.  He'll just do the stuff he's good at, which will probably repair his reputation a little around here, and then he will ride off into the sunset; Hopefully replaced by a guy who makes both of them look terrible.

I don't care who was better, and I don't understand why you do.  I just hope there is a next one, and he makes both of them look like amateurs.

 

[Cookie Lyon]

2 hours ago, AggieLean said:

It's not really fair to use Hurney's 11 years to compare to Gettlemans 4. If you compare each' first 4 years, they're both pretty even, as both had 2 winning seasons and 2 losing seasons. I fault JR for Hurneys last few years, as JR instructed Hurney to hand out those last huge contracts to get the stigma of him being cheap cleared (which many of those opposite of JR now, defended back then). Both had super bowl squads that ended up following that up with subpar seasons. Good/great GMs don't allow that to happen, so with that being said, they both weren't great and it's very important we move on from both. Really no sense in this back and forth in regards to Hurney until we know for sure he is here long term.

AMEN

[Shocker]

I personally have accepted Hurney since he is our GM.  Solid moves so far and the cap is fine.  No reason not to give him his due, so far.

[Marguide]

40 minutes ago, Cyberjag said:

 

I don't care who was better, and I don't understand why you do.  I just hope there is a next one, and he makes both of them look like amateurs.

 

I haven't quoted the whole thing because of it's length, but just wanted to commend you on a well thought out, well reasoned post.

There are few Huddle entries of this quality.

Thanks.

[the butch]

[WOW!!]

8 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd call it about even actually, but here's the thing: The longer Hurney had control of the roster, the worse it got, and the worse the cap got.

Now, you'll scream that's wrong, but again - as I've tried repeatedly to explain - your opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is results.

Hurney had the same core but couldn't build a good enough roster to even get past 500. Gettleman built rosters that not only went to the playoffs, but accomplished the greatest season in Panthers history.

Like I said, keep spinning all you want, but your opinion is irrelevant.

If results are the only thing that matters that means Ryan Grison with better results than both is a better GM than both.. Which we all know isn't true..