Marty Hurney Vent Thread

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Both Hurney and Gman have their faults.   Can we move on?  

Who's the current GM?

Unfortunately, this isn't a historical debate.

(I certainly wish it were)

[WOW!!]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You still haven't answered why the previous guy - who also had Cam, Luke, Olsen, all those other guys, etc - didn't build a team that could muster a winning season.

Maybe rookie coaching staff had alot to do with that..

Reality check hypocrite..

Ron 1st 2 years in coaching making rookie mistakes cost us atleast 3 games alone those years..

But of course you won't admit that because it hurts your narrative..

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who's the current GM?

Unfortunately, this isn't a historical debate.

(I certainly wish it were)

You make every thread a historical debate because you keep brining up the past..

Hypocrite scott..

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, WOW!! said:

Maybe rookie coaching staff had alot to do with that..

Reality check hypocrite..

Ron 1st 2 years in coaching making rookie mistakes cost us atleast 3 games alone those years..

But of course you won't admit that because it hurts your narrative..

Ron's actually still making the same mistakes he made as a rookie.

Funny thing though. I recall Hurney being here with a veteran head coach too. How'd that go?

"He didn't have Cam" right. But who was picking the players again?

[WOW!!]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ron's actually still making the same mistakes he made as a rookie.

Funny thing though. I recall Hurney being here with a veteran head coach too. How'd that go?

"He didn't have Cam" right. But who was picking the players again?

Ron gottten alot better became more aggresive when Gman was here.. Coach of the year x2 says you don't know what you're talking about..

Oh..

Superbowl apperance in his 2nd year 2 NFC championship game apperance and 3 division titles..

And unlike Gman he had to build a team from scratch.  He didn't come in with a franchise QB, number 1 WR,  probowl LT, probowl RB's, probowl TE a defensive player of the year LB and 2 other probowl LB's, 3 passrushers and a shut down CB..

You know poo a team needs when they are ready to succeed..

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Ron gottten alot better became more aggresive when Gman was here.. Coach of the year x2 says you don't know what you're talking about..

Oh..

Superbowl apperance in his 2nd year 2 NFC championship game apperance and 3 division titles..

And unlike Gman he had to build a team from scratch.  He didn't come in with a franchise QB, number 1 WR,  probowl LT, probowl RB's, probowl TE a defensive player of the year LB and 2 other probowl LB's, 3 passrushers and a shut down CB..

You know poo a team needs when they are ready to succeed..

That "rebuilt from scratch" roster already had Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Brad Hoover, Jeff Mitchell, Kevin Donnalley, Jeno James, Todd Steussie, Kris Jenkins, Brentson Buckner, Mike Rucker, Dan Morgan, Mike Minter, Jarrod  Cooper, John Kasay, Todd Sauerbrun and Jason Kyle.

Huh. Sure looks like Marty Hurney's early success owed a lot to players given to him by the previous GM.

How interesting...

[Lemory]

You guys should fug. 

[WOW!!]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That "rebuilt from scratch" roster already had Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Brad Hoover, Jeff Mitchell, Kevin Donnalley, Jeno James, Todd Steussie, Kris Jenkins, Brentson Buckner, Mike Rucker, Dan Morgan, Mike Minter, Jarrod  Cooper, John Kasay, Todd Sauerbrun and Jason Kyle.

Huh. Sure looks like Marty Hurney's early success owed a lot to players given to him by the previous GM.

How interesting...

Smith wasn't even been use as a WR his rookie year..So nice try..

But if you really want to do this exercise of what was here and what was added by said GM.. I would love to embarrasse you... You will look real stupid..

Just a quick example..

Smitty, Dwill, Stew, Gross, Cam, Olsen, Lafell, Kali,Luke,TD, CJ, Beason,Hardy,Addison,Norman..Off the top of my head..

Who had the better starting point??

[grimesgoat]

25 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Ron gottten alot better became more aggresive when Gman was here.. Coach of the year x2 says you don't know what you're talking about..

Oh..

Superbowl apperance in his 2nd year 2 NFC championship game apperance and 3 division titles..

And unlike Gman he had to build a team from scratch.  He didn't come in with a franchise QB, number 1 WR,  probowl LT, probowl RB's, probowl TE a defensive player of the year LB and 2 other probowl LB's, 3 passrushers and a shut down CB..

You know poo a team needs when they are ready to succeed..

A lot to unpack here.

Gman started in 2013.  He inherited a 34 year old #1 receiver more worried about his stats than anything else and a 33 year old LT playing his last year.  Deangelo made 1 pro bowl (back in 2009) and Stewie didn't make his only pro bowl until 2015.  Olsen was solid, but not a pro bowler at the time.  Johnson was a solid pass rusher but Hardy would only last one more year before imploding.  And Norman was nowhere near a shutdown corner - he didn't even start until 2015.

He inherited a cap with a -6 million deficit.

The fact we went 12-4 his first year is nothing short of a miracle, and was pretty much due to him drafting Star and Short and finding castoff guys like Mitchell and Ginn.  To suggest he had it easy is sheer buffoonery. 

2 outstanding young players is nice to build around, but you need so much more.  For example, from 1965-1969, the Chicago Bears featured Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers - two of the greatest players in the history of the sport.  Their record during those 5 years was 29-38-3. If Gman had rolled with the players he inherited, I doubt we win more than 25 games during his tenure.

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Smith wasn't even been use as a WR his rookie year..So nice try..

But if you really want to do this exercise of what was here and what was added by said GM.. I would love to embarrasse you... You will look real stupid..

Just a quick example..

Smitty, Dwill, Stew, Gross, Cam, Olsen, Lafell, Kali,Luke,TD, CJ, Beason,Hardy,Addison,Norman..Off the top of my head..

Who had the better starting point??

Here's what you're missing.

Hurney had all those same guys but still had a losing record with them.

You can blame Rivera (which is a dodge) but Hurney lost with Fox as a coach too.

Throw in that Hurney's poor cap management put the team in an awful position to build around that core you wanna talk about.

Hurney was just not a successful GM, and no amount of spinning from you or anybody else can change that.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

A lot to unpack here.

Gman started in 2013.  He inherited a 34 year old #1 receiver more worried about his stats than anything else and a 33 year old LT playing his last year.  Deangelo made 1 pro bowl (back in 2009) and Stewie didn't make his only pro bowl until 2015.  Olsen was solid, but not a pro bowler at the time.  Johnson was a solid pass rusher but Hardy would only last one more year before imploding.  And Norman was nowhere near a shutdown corner - he didn't even start until 2015.

He inherited a cap with a -6 million deficit.

The fact we went 12-4 his first year is nothing short of a miracle, and was pretty much due to him drafting Star and Short and finding castoff guys like Mitchell and Ginn.  To suggest he had it easy is sheer buffoonery. 

2 outstanding young players is nice to build around, but you need so much more.  For example, from 1965-1969, the Chicago Bears featured Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers - two of the greatest players in the history of the sport.  Their record during those 5 years was 29-38-3. If Gman had rolled with the players he inherited, I doubt we win more than 25 games during his tenure.

Indeed.

[AggieLean]

It's not really fair to use Hurney's 11 years to compare to Gettlemans 4. If you compare each' first 4 years, they're both pretty even, as both had 2 winning seasons and 2 losing seasons. I fault JR for Hurneys last few years, as JR instructed Hurney to hand out those last huge contracts to get the stigma of him being cheap cleared (which many of those opposite of JR now, defended back then). Both had super bowl squads that ended up following that up with subpar seasons. Good/great GMs don't allow that to happen, so with that being said, they both weren't great and it's very important we move on from both. Really no sense in this back and forth in regards to Hurney until we know for sure he is here long term.

[Smithers]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who's the current GM?

Unfortunately, this isn't a historical debate.

(I certainly wish it were)

Where were you when Gman refused to address the OT and SS positions for 3 years?  My point is...they both have their faults.  But the Hurney haters are all a sudden coming out in full force based on his past mistakes.  You hear the word?  PAST.  So apparently it is a historical debate.  

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, grimesgoat said:

A lot to unpack here.

Gman started in 2013.  He inherited a 34 year old #1 receiver more worried about his stats than anything else and a 33 year old LT playing his last year.  Deangelo made 1 pro bowl (back in 2009) and Stewie didn't make his only pro bowl until 2015.  Olsen was solid, but not a pro bowler at the time.  Johnson was a solid pass rusher but Hardy would only last one more year before imploding.  And Norman was nowhere near a shutdown corner - he didn't even start until 2015.

He inherited a cap with a -6 million deficit.

The fact we went 12-4 his first year is nothing short of a miracle, and was pretty much due to him drafting Star and Short and finding castoff guys like Mitchell and Ginn.  To suggest he had it easy is sheer buffoonery. 

2 outstanding young players is nice to build around, but you need so much more.  For example, from 1965-1969, the Chicago Bears featured Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers - two of the greatest players in the history of the sport.  Their record during those 5 years was 29-38-3. If Gman had rolled with the players he inherited, I doubt we win more than 25 games during his tenure.

This post is so full poo...

A 34 wr who still had 2 to 3 more 1,000 yards season in him. 

2 RB both proven and put up 1,000 yard seasons..

Still a quality starting LT..

Probowl center..

3 guys with  passrushing potential. 

Potential the best LB corp in the league..

And 2 franchise buliding pieces..

You can frame it how you want but most GM's day one don't get this much of a foundation to build on..

And the fact you're making star and Short the major reason we won 2013.. let's me know you don't know poo..