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Marty Hurney Vent Thread

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Moorgan Enthusiast

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I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with the argument. Just pointing out that production is a different word than player. But I agree with @NanuqoftheNorth that Hurney hamstrung the team with poor decisions but gets credit for the good decisions of bringing in some of our core group of players. I neither hate nor love Hurney and I thought DG did a good job. I'm hopeful, because I'm an optimist, that Hurney will make (and has made) good decisions going forward.

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grimesgoat Experienced

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20 hours ago, rico6 said:

Okay. Who?

Who has Gettleman surrounded Cam with? It was only for a short lived 2015 season that Newton had an above average OL.

Instead of you Gettleman lot trying to find each failure and fault that Hurney is to be blamed for, how about first giving the man some good damn credit and be fuging objective.

Edit- Also, Hurney trading for and drafting 2 of this team's best players ever >> just about anything Gettleman's ever done for the team offensively.

 

Gettleman has done some nice things on offense. 

Gettleman netted us Norwell, Turner, Williams, Moton, M. Kalil, Benjamin and CMC.  He set us up for years with solid core pieces.  But the best thing he did was re-sign Cam at a fair contract.  Lord knows what Hurney would have paid him, but I guarantee it would have been significantly more than what we are paying now.  Gettleman didn't draft Cam - but he kept him here at a fair price.

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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19 hours ago, Moorgan said:

I don't really care about you guys arguing but I noticed this. Production is different than players. And I don't think it's a stretch to say the majority of the offensive production is Cam, Stew and Greg. I mean that's pretty standard right there. No one would really argue that. So, in that sense, the Hurney guys are the majority of the offensive production. Just thought I'd point that out.

I get what you're saying, but how much production so those skill players get with nobody blocking?

Unless we're switching to flag football, you can't just divorce those two aspects of the offense and put one in a vacuum.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get what you're saying, but how much production so those skill players get with nobody blocking?

Unless we're switching to flag football, you can't just divorce those two aspects of the offense and put one in a vacuum.

Yeah I agree but that's not how production numbers are used by fans...or agents for that matter. So I think for purposes of their argument, it's a valid point.

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Just now, Moorgan said:

Yeah I agree but that's not how production numbers are used by fans...or agents for that matter. So I think for purposes of their argument, it's a valid point.

I understand.

If the topic is offensive production though, as opposed to individual production, you can't really separate them. Heck, you can't really even separate the skill players from each other.

Remember when the Bucs signed Alvin Harper to a big contract, then found out quickly he wasn't scaring anybody without Michael Irvin on the other side?

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yet Hurney had those same players and still wound up with high draft picks because of lousy seasons.

Odd, huh? 

Yeah, no.

Gettleman literally lucked up into getting an in-prime Cam and a one season removed DROY in Luke to begin his legacy.

You're so full of poo, Scot.

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36 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Just because he hangs out at the Strip Club doing blow all day, does not make him a drunk. Dang man, if you gon troll, at least get your facts straight. You sir, are fake news.

Haha. Fair enough but his reputation is amazingly accurate. Most GM's are 

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17 minutes ago, rico6 said:

Yeah, no.

Gettleman literally lucked up into getting an in-prime Cam and a one season removed DROY in Luke to begin his legacy.

You're so full of poo, Scot.

Cam had tools, but not the experience.  He is now 28.  His best years are ahead.  I think Cam's prime starts now.  Sadly, Gettleman will miss it.

Luke has been helped immensely by having Star and Short in front of him - Gettleman's first two picks.  Those two plus Leveon Bell, Shelden Richardson, and Ansah might be the best NFL players from that entire draft.  The days of snagging 2 potential all-pros in a single draft appear over.

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2 hours ago, rico6 said:

Yeah, no.

Gettleman literally lucked up into getting an in-prime Cam and a one season removed DROY in Luke to begin his legacy.

You're so full of poo, Scot.

You still haven't answered why the previous guy - who also had Cam, Luke, Olsen, all those other guys, etc - didn't build a team that could muster a winning season.

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