Seahawks Trying To Trade Jermaine Kearse

[Hogmolliesmaht]

All you haters need to go and watch the Funchess highlights since he's been a Panther. He has made some outstanding plays since he's been here and he is still learning the game.

 

BTW, why are people so willing to trade away a pick or a player for Kearse when he's probably going to get cut anyway?

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

All you haters need to go and watch the Funchess highlights since he's been a Panther. He has made some outstanding plays since he's been here and he is still learning the game.

 

BTW, why are people so willing to trade away a pick or a player for Kearse when he's probably going to get cut anyway?

Classic deniability. That's why they do it. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Classic deniability. That's why they do it. 

Lol wut

[Harbingers]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Lol wut

Deny that the panthers staff, coaches and players are good enough and are always looking for something from outside the orginization to be better singularly in their minds no matter the repercussions or cost. 

You personally have been hating on Funchess since before he was drafted. Makes you a little jaded and not care what it takes to make you right. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Deny that the panthers staff, coaches and players are good enough and are always looking for something from outside the orginization to be better singularly in their minds no matter the repercussions or cost. 

You personally have been hating on Funchess since before he was drafted. Makes you a little jaded and not care what it takes to make you right. 

Does that mean I want to see Funchess fail? Nope.

But Funchess has done absolutely nothing for me to change my opinion of him. Trust me, I'm rooting for him as much as you but damn dude, we can't just keep waiting around for him. I want to see this team win, I don't care what it takes but I do know as of right now Devin is more so in the way than anything else

[Hogmolliesmaht]

7 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Does that mean I want to see Funchess fail? Nope.

But Funchess has done absolutely nothing for me to change my opinion of him. Trust me, I'm rooting for him as much as you but damn dude, we can't just keep waiting around for him. I want to see this team win, I don't care what it takes but I do know as of right now Devin is more so in the way than anything else

So would you have waited around for Kearse after he only had 25 catches and 4 TD's in his first two years?

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

So would you have waited around for Kearse after he only had 23 catches in his first two years?

Kearse's lack of production early on was primarily due to lack of opportunities. Like I pointed out, he had fewer targets through his first three seasons combined than Funchess had through his first two. My concern with Kearse is that his efficiency fell off hugely last season when he was given an opportunity to be a featured target.

You're so caught up in catches and yards that you're completely overlooking the number of opportunities and efficiency. 

Maybe this will drive home the point for you. At last year's pace, Funchess would've needed 157 targets to put up 1000 yards. For reference, Julio Jones had 1400+ yards in 129 targets. 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Kearse's lack of production early on was primarily due to lack of opportunities. Like I pointed out, he had fewer targets through his first three seasons combined than Funchess had through his first two. My concern with Kearse is that his efficiency fell off hugely last season when he was given an opportunity to be a featured target.

You're so caught up in catches and yards that you're completely overlooking the number of opportunities and efficiency. 

Maybe this will drive home the point for you. At last year's pace, Funchess would've needed 157 targets to put up 1000 yards. For reference, Julio Jones had 1400+ yards in 129 targets. 

 You keep harping on targets, but from what I remember, Funchess got very few opportunities as a rookie until late in the season and I don't remember an inordinate number of targets last year either. Where exactly are you getting these target numbers from anyway?

And FTR, Julio Jones is way better than Funchess. Nobody is arguing that.

[*FreeFua*]

32 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

So would you have waited around for Kearse after he only had 25 catches and 4 TD's in his first two years?

No one was waiting around for Kearse. He was BEHIND Tate and Baldwin, do you understand this? Then in 2014 he was given his first real shot and he put up a solid 38/537.

Funchess has already been given the opportunity that Kearse had to wait for. Like LG said, Funchess has had more targets his first two years than Kearse did in his first 3 combined. Funchess has been given the opportunities Kearse had to wait till year 3 to get because of guys ahead of him. Funchess has had no one other than KB for one of the two seasons in his way and yet, he has never put up over 500 yards.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

 You keep harping on targets, but from what I remember, Funchess got very few opportunities as a rookie until late in the season and I don't remember an inordinate number of targets last year either. Where exactly are you getting these target numbers from anyway?

And FTR, Julio Jones is way better than Funchess. Nobody is arguing that.

Here you go:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FuncDe00.htm

I'm not basing these opinions off of memory, I'm basing them off of cold, hard stats.

[LinvilleGorge]

What really hurts is the fact that only once in his career has he caught over 50% of the balls coming his way when he's been targeted 5+ times. He's had 5+ targets in a game 10 times.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Here you go:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FuncDe00.htm

I'm not basing these opinions off of memory, I'm basing them off of cold, hard stats.

This gives you absolutely nothing about whether they were good targets or not though. All you have is a percentage of targets caught. The reason for not catching them is nothing but a guess by the reader. Is there another source we can use to verify the numbers?

BTW, a 49.2% catch rate as a rookie is not really that bad anyway when you consider that he wasn't used to Cam Newton's fast balls and that a certain percentage of them weren't on target anyway. He can easily get back to that or top it.

[*FreeFua*]

@LinvilleGorge

 

Just some random dude that seems to do Seahawks videos but he provides some stats and stuff as to why there was a drop off in Kearse's completion rate last season. 

Some obviously self inflicted and some he couldn't help. Take it for what it is.

[steven8989]

We don't need anymore wrs. We need cb and safety help.