Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The Cardinals are trying to trade for Andy Lee

Sam Mills Fan

By Sam Mills Fan,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

Ricky Spanish Grand Master

Ricky Spanish

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Has any of Dave's draft trade ups not been busts so far?

Not to the level that Hurney's were.

Dave gave up draft picks in the current draft to move up, hurney Mortgaged the future and had poor foresight. The only trade in which Dave traded a future pick was Lee, and that was a 4th rounder, a mid rounder in which we've never drafted a single player of note. 

The other picks Dave gave up were mid to late rounds to move up in the 2nd/3rd. I'd take those trades any day of the week over mortgaging future 1's and 2's to get scrubs who fall out of the first round. 

The Funchess trade was probably his worst one, but it still only affected us for that year's draft and not for the year after's. 

So I personally would rather watch Dave fail at it with his more calculated, less risky trades, than Hurney's spectacular future destroying ones that lead to a 2-14 season. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Krovvy Veteran

Krovvy

Posted
Posted
25 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Not to the level that Hurney's were.

Dave gave up draft picks in the current draft to move up, hurney Mortgaged the future and had poor foresight. The only trade in which Dave traded a future pick was Lee, and that was a 4th rounder, a mid rounder in which we've never drafted a single player of note. 

The other picks Dave gave up were mid to late rounds to move up in the 2nd/3rd. I'd take those trades any day of the week over mortgaging future 1's and 2's to get scrubs who fall out of the first round. 

The Funchess trade was probably his worst one, but it still only affected us for that year's draft and not for the year after's. 

So I personally would rather watch Dave fail at it with his more calculated, less risky trades, than Hurney's spectacular future destroying ones that lead to a 2-14 season. 

It's funny though, Hurney still managed to collect enough draft picks from trades to average many more selected players a year than Gettleman. Actually while under Dave Gettleman the Panthers drafted the fewest players in the league. This itself isn't a problem, if the players are great, but currently it's looking like many of them are struggling to live up to their draft selection.

Although I feel it's disingenuous to lay all the blame on Hurney for the 2011 season. The coaching in my mind being the biggest issue that year, as well as Jimmy not living up to his hype. Though he was only selected 48th overall. Hell Devin Funchess was selected 41st overall, and the Panthers wasted picks to trade up for him as you stated.

I don't know, maybe I am giving too much credit to the man that drafted the franchises best players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ricky Spanish Grand Master

Ricky Spanish

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It's funny though, Hurney still managed to collect enough draft picks from trades to average many more selected players a year than Gettleman. Actually while under Dave Gettleman the Panthers drafted the fewest players in the league. This itself isn't a problem, if the players are great, but currently it's looking like many of them are struggling to live up to their draft selection.

Although I feel it's disingenuous to lay all the blame on Hurney for the 2011 season. The coaching in my mind being the biggest issue that year, as well as Jimmy not living up to his hype. Though he was only selected 48th overall. Hell Devin Funchess was selected 41st overall, and the Panthers wasted picks to trade up for him as you stated.

I don't know, maybe I am giving too much credit to the man that drafted the franchises best players.

He deserves credit for giving us the core of the team. I've never taken that away from him, but he had that core together for a number of years and the team never did jack poo with him at the helm. Hurney had no idea how to build depth or fill out a roster with roll players. Under him our best players were some of the best in the league, and then everyone else was complete trash. There were no solid - mediocre vets like Flowers, Coleman, Harper, etc. to complement the superstars. It was either feast or famine across the board. He also completely botched contracts at the end of his tenure and failed to realize that the game was evolving from a RB dependent league to a QB driven league, which is why Stewart is STILL a top 5 paid player at his position when he's never been a top 5 RB before. It's why we just this season, got out from under the mess he made of our cap situation to pay guys like (James) Anderson, Deangelo, Stewart, Delhomme, and Godfrey.

So Hurney was good at one thing - Drafting superstars in the first round. Everything else he just wasn't very good at.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rayzor Grand Master

rayzor

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Cracka McNasty said:

 

So Hurney was good at one thing - Drafting superstars in the first round. Everything else he just wasn't very good at.

It's a shame he traded so many away. Glad JR stepped in the last couple years and told him not to. Still can't believe he was wanting to trade a first to jump up and get Clausen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

He deserves credit for giving us the core of the team. I've never taken that away from him, but he had that core together for a number of years and the team never did jack poo with him at the helm. Hurney had no idea how to build depth or fill out a roster with roll players. Under him our best players were some of the best in the league, and then everyone else was complete trash. There were no solid - mediocre vets like Flowers, Coleman, Harper, etc. to complement the superstars. It was either feast or famine across the board. He also completely botched contracts at the end of his tenure and failed to realize that the game was evolving from a RB dependent league to a QB driven league, which is why Stewart is STILL a top 5 paid player at his position when he's never been a top 5 RB before. It's why we just this season, got out from under the mess he made of our cap situation to pay guys like (James) Anderson, Deangelo, Stewart, Delhomme, and Godfrey.

So Hurney was good at one thing - Drafting superstars in the first round. Everything else he just wasn't very good at.

What I've had to keep reminding people is that GMs build rosters of 53 players, not 5, 10 or a dozen.

Having ten great players doesn't mean jack s--t if the total roster isn't good enough to win. Hurney's rosters we're only good enough for three out of eleven years.  Gettleman's rosters equaled that in his first three seasons.

If you wanna say "yes, with Hurney's core" you might wanna remember two things: Hurney also had "Hurney's core" and couldn't win with them, and two of his three winning seasons arguably came with Seifert's core.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
rayzor Grand Master

rayzor

Posted
Posted
9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I've had to keep reminding people is that GMs build rosters of 53 players, not 5, 10 or a dozen.

Having ten great players doesn't mean jack s--t if the total roster isn't good enough to win. Hurney's rosters we're only good enough for three out of eleven years.  Gettleman's rosters equaled that in his first three seasons.

If you wanna say "yes, with Hurney's core" you might wanna remember two things: Hurney also had "Hurney's core" and couldn't win with them, and two of his three winning seasons arguably came with Seifert's core.

Good point about sieferts core. They were the ones who went to the Superbowl.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...