Shula on week 1

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Cam aint without fault, but I put the majority of the blame on Shula.

It's Shula's job to teach, train, and coach Cam to make the right play calls, adjustments, reads, and progressions. 

 

[Udogg]

1 hour ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Shula is trash and needs to go. 

I will buy gameday pass this year and break down with coaches cam just how trash he is. 

 

Yeah do that.  

It will be enlightening for us all.    

 

[Udogg]

1 hour ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Cam aint without fault, but I put the majority of the blame on Shula.

It's Shula's job to teach, train, and coach Cam to make the right play calls, adjustments, reads, and progressions. 

 

 

If it's a good play it's Cam, if its a bad play its a majority Shula's fault because he should have coached Cam.................... smh

[PrimeTimeHeel]

20 minutes ago, Udogg said:

 

If it's a good play it's Cam, if its a bad play its a majority Shula's fault because he should have coached Cam.................... smh

3 fly routes, nothing underneath. 

Cam scrambles for 10+ yards. 

Yea a play like that is good bc of Cam. 

The play was trash and it worked out in spite of Shula due to Cam's ability. 

Shula can call some good plays every now and again. 

The problem is consistency and situational play calling. 

3rd and short and he calls long developing routes. 

[panthers55]

7 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

3 fly routes, nothing underneath. 

Cam scrambles for 10+ yards. 

Yea a play like that is good bc of Cam. 

The play was trash and it worked out in spite of Shula due to Cam's ability. 

Shula can call some good plays every now and again. 

The problem is consistency and situational play calling. 

3rd and short and he calls long developing routes. 

Again Cam can change anything he wants including the play, the routes, or the protections. If he wants underneath routes he can adjust that as well. What Shula can't do is be on the field or execute the plays. Most times it is not the play call but execution or failure to execute that is the problem. For example our receivers had the second most drops in the league. That has nothing to do with situational play calling and everything to do with situational execution. Saying just throw everything short doesn't work either since it just means that defenses stack the box which hurts the run and means little YAC and more 3 and outs.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

People just ignore the fact that coaches, analysts and even JR himself have all told Cam to take the lay ups more  often instead of always going down the field because that gets in the way of their Shula bashing. Obviously, Shula has somehow been forcing Cam to ignore the lay ups.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

People just ignore the fact that coaches, analysts and even JR himself have all told Cam to take the lay ups more  often instead of always going down the field because that gets in the way of their Shula bashing. Obviously, Shula has somehow been forcing Cam to ignore the lay ups.

Agree with taking more layups then again we didn't really have great speed in the slot or at running back. I hope with McCaffrey, Shepard and Samuel, Cam feels better about taking what the defense is giving him as we have more playmakers and less pressure is on him to do everything.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Again Cam can change anything he wants including the play, the routes, or the protections. If he wants underneath routes he can adjust that as well. What Shula can't do is be on the field or execute the plays. Most times it is not the play call but execution or failure to execute that is the problem. For example our receivers had the second most drops in the league. That has nothing to do with situational play calling and everything to do with situational execution. Saying just throw everything short doesn't work either since it just means that defenses stack the box which hurts the run and means little YAC and more 3 and outs.

I do not ignore this. 

Cam gets blame also.

But how can Cam know what to change if he doesn't get proper coaching and training to do so? 

Granted he should know this stuff, but if your OC drills lame ass plays and concepts into your head 24/7 for years then I can see how that hampers your development and IQ. 

Atleast 50% of the time it is the playcall. 

I can not wait for the season to start and break down each offensive play. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

I do not ignore this. 

Cam gets blame also.

But how can Cam know what to change if he doesn't get proper coaching and training to do so? 

Granted he should know this stuff, but if your OC drills lame ass plays and concepts into your head 24/7 for years then I can see how that hampers your development and IQ. 

Atleast 50% of the time it is the playcall. 

I can not wait for the season to start and break down each offensive play. 

It is stupid to say he isn't getting proper coaching and training. Wasn't he MVP in 2015? So he was great and well coached then and now it is totally the opposite. Or he became MVP with bad coaching and poor play concepts? Give me a break. What is lame is your logic or lack there of.

And honestly what makes you think that even with film you have a clue what is going on unless you are in the huddle and heard the playcalling 

[PrimeTimeHeel]

6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

It is stupid to say he isn't getting proper coaching and training. Wasn't he MVP in 2015? So he was great and well coached then and now it is totally the opposite. Or he became MVP with bad coaching and poor play concepts? Give me a break. What is lame is your logic or lack there of.

And honestly what makes you think that even with film you have a clue what is going on unless you are in the huddle and heard the playcalling 

If your coach is subpar, then you are not getting proper coaching and training. 

Shula has been mediocre his entire career with the exception of one year. 

The only reason he has a job is because of his last name. 

 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

If your coach is subpar, then you are not getting proper coaching and training. 

Shula has been mediocre his entire career with the exception of one year. 

The only reason he has a job is because of his last name. 

 

No one thinks Shula is subpar but folks here. He is credited with creating a very complex offense which is hard to defend. He also is credited with developing Cam as a rookie and being smart enough to build the offense around him. The only reason he has a job is because he has taken relatively weak talent and has been the best OC we have had in our franchise history. Funny that people constantly say Cam has done a great job with less than a good cast around him yet Shula has those exact same players and no one gives him the same consideration.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

No one thinks Shula is subpar but folks here. He is credited with creating a very complex offense which is hard to defend. He also is credited with developing Cam as a rookie and being smart enough to build the offense around him. The only reason he has a job is because he has taken relatively weak talent and has been the best OC we have had in our franchise history. Funny that people constantly say Cam has done a great job with less than a good cast around him yet Shula has those exact same players and no one gives him the same consideration.

sure about that? go ask fans of his previous stops.

there is a reason why no nfl team was interested in Shula after that 2015 year. 

um no, Chud was the reason for Cam's rookies success. 

notice how he got offered a HC job while no one is even remotely interested in Shula?

shula is trash and i cant wait for the day he leaves town. 

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

sure about that? go ask fans of his previous stops.

there is a reason why no nfl team was interested in Shula after that 2015 year. 

um no, Chud was the reason for Cam's rookies success. 

notice how he got offered a HC job while no one is even remotely interested in Shula?

shula is trash and i cant wait for the day he leaves town. 

He has only been an OC in the NFL one time before in the 90s. When he was a QB coach at Jacksonville  he turned around David Garrard. As for Chud he only cared about being a head coach and how long did that last? 1 year?  And for who? Cleveland. That is pitiful. Let's see whose offense is better this year. Indy who has Luck and whose team and talent is geared toward the offense with more weapons than Cam has ever been given or Carolina who has Cam and finally has some decent surrounding  personnel on offense.

[KB_fan]

On 8/30/2017 at 1:13 AM, panthers55 said:

So what part was an excuse? Cam and Curtis have missed a lot of time and are behind in their mastery of the offense. Curtis is not a big deal but Cam is a huge one. This is his offense and he directs everything. If he isn't ready it totally sets the offense backwards.  That we are still installing the offense and we aren't going to be able to use everything given we want to stay with what we have mastered and what we can play fast with.  Then when he gets pigeonholed to give away part of the gameplan he says Cam will make all the throws. Which he would say even if it isn't true. No coach is stupid enough to divulge your gameplan in an interview.

What amuses me is huddlers who think that Shula would tip his hand and tell much of anything to the media. All he said was the obvious and what anyone who has ever coached or played would  know. 

All of what you say is true Panthers55.  I'm not happy Cam has missed so much time, nor Samuel.  And I *don't* think our offense will be at full speed come week 1, sadly.  Hopefully we can get by against 49ers and Bills, though if we GO IN with the attitude that we can just get by, we are dead meat.

Maybe "excuse" is the wrong word.   Shula was honest.  I get that.  I'm not sure I can express what bothered me about this Shula article.   It just seemed like such a wet blanket.  I'm not sure what he could have said, but again, the Wilks film review article left me so pumped about our defense and the energy & hunger.  The Shula article was a total MEH.  I guess it's stupid to expect anything else, but if there could have been just a hint of excitement or "we've really improved in X...." it would have been a much more effective article.  There ARE reasons to be excited about our offense in spite of the challenges.  This article didn't capture any of that.