PFF: Derek Anderson Had A Perfect Passer Rating When Targeting Kelvin Benjamin

[Saca312]

6 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Could it possibly be that facing James Bradberry every day has elevated Kelvin's game? 

When he plays most other corners it should be much easier for him by comparison. 

Very true.

Benjamin has his first decent test against the lesser rookie of last year Jalen Ramsey. Although he's not at Bradberry's level, he's stil a very athletic corner who is very talented in his own right.

Benji will have a decent challenge there.

[cultclassiccat]

Seems most here have hive minded around the notion he sucks, not worth pick etc.    çŕœ ćômïňğ 

[Ricky Spanish]

Many people might disagree with me on this one, but I honestly feel like DA throws better balls to KB than Cam does.  He seems to utilize KB's size to his advantage in a more efficient way than Cam. 

Cam is still a better QB overall, but DA just seems to use KB better. 

Edit*

I did some research, and below is a chart that lists all of KB's stats broken down between Cam throwing to KB and DA throwing to KB:

While Cam has thrown significantly more TD's to KB, extrapolating the number of passes attempted to KB with Anderson increased the TD total to just over 13 which is one less than Cam has thrown.

Also, Cam's completion percentage while targeting KB is abysmal at 48.3%. DA's is significantly higher at 63.9%, with his QBR also being over 100 compared to Cam's in the low 80s. 

These stats seem to defend my hypothesis. I don't believe I deserved that poop @Millioso7

@KB_fan, this is the kind of stuff that is in your wheelhouse and something you might want to take a look into. I used this link to determine this information. to adjust the search parameters, click on the "Show/Hide Search Form" drop down arrow at the top of the page. That will allow you to better see and chart who Cam has the best chemistry with on the roster from a passing perspective.

 

[ath3na]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Could it possibly be that facing James Bradberry every day has elevated Kelvin's game? 

When he plays most other corners it should be much easier for him by comparison. 

I'd say this is good reasoning. KB has the potential & we've all seen it. I think that injury really got in his head. I mean, he did miss the Super Bowl and all. But Bradberry is a beast and should make all of our receivers better having to practice against him. Bradberry should also be better for having to defend against KB & that height too! 

[kepickle]

Lol yeah that's cause after the first Quarter they either ran it or only throw it to KB he didn't even look at anyone else 

[Millioso7]

This has no correlation with Derek Anderson #GetHimGone..

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

2 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Many people might disagree with me on this one, but I honestly feel like DA throws better balls to KB than Cam does.  He seems to utilize KB's size to his advantage in a more efficient way than Cam. 

Cam is still a better QB overall, but DA just seems to use KB better. 

Edit*

I did some research, and below is a chart that lists all of KB's stats broken down between Cam throwing to KB and DA throwing to KB:

While Cam has thrown significantly more TD's to KB, extrapolating the number of passes attempted to KB with Anderson increased the TD total to just over 13 which is one less than Cam has thrown.

Also, Cam's completion percentage while targeting KB is abysmal at 48.3%. DA's is significantly higher at 63.9%, with his QBR also being over 100 compared to Cam's in the low 80s. 

These stats seem to defend my hypothesis. I don't believe I deserved that poop @Millioso7

@KB_fan, this is the kind of stuff that is in your wheelhouse and something you might want to take a look into. I used this link to determine this information. to adjust the search parameters, click on the "Show/Hide Search Form" drop down arrow at the top of the page. That will allow you to better see and chart who Cam has the best chemistry with on the roster from a passing perspective.

 

This doesn't take into account situational football plus that big ol' 50.4 % catch percentage is telling in and of itself. Anderson's attempts and completions are too small a number to correlate to Cam's as well. Anderson's attempts account for only 15% of Cam's attempts. The numbers just aren't there to make a valid point from.

Breaking it down further, over a few seasons with KB, Cam has had success 48% of the time whilst through only a few games DA has had 63% success after finding the LCD. You just can't correlate the two.

[jumpman910]

This stat may actually help the KB detractors if he doesn't dominate but I found out yesterday that Kelvin Benjamin and Julio Jones have the easiest schedule of number 1 corners that they will face this year. 

On the flip side Dez Bryant has one of the hardest slates this season. Jenkins, Talib/Harris, PP21, and Trumaine Johnson all in the first 4 weeks

Regardless KB still isn't the problem on the offense and SHOULD be very productive this season. Especially if his 1.7 drop pass % continues or even improves, he had some of the best hands last year for No 1 or 2 WR contrary to popular belief 

[Millioso7]

2 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Many people might disagree with me on this one, but I honestly feel like DA throws better balls to KB than Cam does.  He seems to utilize KB's size to his advantage in a more efficient way than Cam. 

Cam is still a better QB overall, but DA just seems to use KB better. 

Edit*

I did some research, and below is a chart that lists all of KB's stats broken down between Cam throwing to KB and DA throwing to KB:

While Cam has thrown significantly more TD's to KB, extrapolating the number of passes attempted to KB with Anderson increased the TD total to just over 13 which is one less than Cam has thrown.

Also, Cam's completion percentage while targeting KB is abysmal at 48.3%. DA's is significantly higher at 63.9%, with his QBR also being over 100 compared to Cam's in the low 80s. 

These stats seem to defend my hypothesis. I don't believe I deserved that poop @Millioso7

@KB_fan, this is the kind of stuff that is in your wheelhouse and something you might want to take a look into. I used this link to determine this information. to adjust the search parameters, click on the "Show/Hide Search Form" drop down arrow at the top of the page. That will allow you to better see and chart who Cam has the best chemistry with on the roster from a passing perspective.

 

You don't deserve it you're right.. #GetDerekAndersonGone

[Ricky Spanish]

8 minutes ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

This doesn't take into account situational football plus that big ol' 50.4 % catch percentage is telling in and of itself. Anderson's attempts and completions are too small a number to correlate to Cam's as well. Anderson's attempts account for only 15% of Cam's attempts. The numbers just aren't there to make a valid point from.

I mean, yeah, volume is definitely a factor, but in the limited amount of throws DA has made to KB, he is more efficient at it. 

Also the link does provide situational breakdowns as well, but again, DA isn't a starter so his volume is much lower. The yds/attempt from Cam is only 6.9, DA's is 9.3. That's significant

Comparing Greg Olsen's stats between the two QB's, the overall production isn't nearly as skewed:

QBR is pretty much even, with Cam's completion % being the biggest difference (but still higher than his career average). The Y/A is only a yard off with Olsen where as with KB it's over 2. Regardless, their QBR is still damn near identical when targeting Greg. The difference in QBR when they both target KB is a staggering 20 point swing. 

This isn't a poo on Cam post, this is just really damn weird Quirk we have between our #1 receiver and starting QB. 

[TheRed]

It's interesting how quickly things changed around here.

Suddenly most of the huddle are KB supporters again.

[KB_fan]

3 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

 

I did some research, and below is a chart that lists all of KB's stats broken down between Cam throwing to KB and DA throwing to KB:

While Cam has thrown significantly more TD's to KB, extrapolating the number of passes attempted to KB with Anderson increased the TD total to just over 13 which is one less than Cam has thrown.

Also, Cam's completion percentage while targeting KB is abysmal at 48.3%. DA's is significantly higher at 63.9%, with his QBR also being over 100 compared to Cam's in the low 80s. 

These stats seem to defend my hypothesis. I don't believe I deserved that poop @Millioso7

@KB_fan, this is the kind of stuff that is in your wheelhouse and something you might want to take a look into.

 

Cool research!  I'm pretty swamped right now trying to get settled back into life & work in Africa after two months of travel in the US & Europe, but maybe I can look into this a bit more over the weekend.

[Ricky Spanish]

@KB_fan OK so I dove into this from another angle because I am bored at work and would rather look into this stuff:

I compared the QB Attempts vs. targets for Cam/DA to Greg/KB to help get a better picture of what's going on. 

In the two years that KB and Greg have both been on the field at the same time (2014 and 2016) Both Cam and DA have attempted passes. I wanted to see if there was a huge discrepancy in the percentage of attempts thrown towards KB between the two QBs because maybe Cam threw a higher % of passes comparatively towards KB than Anderson did which might have skewed the numbers. The results surprised me.

Cam and DA both targeted KB an equal amount of 24% of all their passes. I thought Cam was forcing more throws in to KB at a higher rate, and this is just not the case. In fact, it seems like Cam does a better job distributing his passes across the board because he only throws to Greg 22% of the time when both are on the field, as opposed to DA who is pretty reliant on Greg as a safety net throwing 31% of his passes his way. Cam distributes the ball better than DA, but he just isn't very good at getting it into KB's hands. 

This is seriously surprising to me.

Cam is significantly less efficient at throwing the ball to KB than DA is and I have no idea why. 

[jumpman910]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

This is seriously surprising to me.

Cam is significantly less efficient at throwing the ball to KB than DA is and I have no idea why. 

Probably has to do with the type of deep ball cam throws him versus DA. DA probably throws a softer ball, we've all seen DA and KB connect on some nice fade routes. As much as I love both Cam and KB I haven't seen that type of specific connection between them too often.