Still the same ol' twin towers? I hope not.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Funchess had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL. THE worst among players with 50+ targets.

You're telling me that like it wasn't mentioned---hell, amost showcased in the OP. 

You obviously missed the part where Ewing said that Funchess only had three drops, so you can't blame it on him dropping a tremendous number of balls. Like Ewing said, there is a disconnect between Funchess and Cam that the two need to figure out.

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

And that's on Funchess. You need to prove to your QB he can trust you as a WR. Benjamin has done that. There's a reason why Cam looks Benji's way and not Devin's at crucial times. Devin hasn't done a whole lot to make Cam throw it to him over Benji. 

We've seen Devin slip on routes, not fight for balls, not fight through contact. I'm not saying Benjamin is perfect but you know he's going to go up and do everything in his power to come down with that ball, with Devin you never know. 

I think all that's overblown. I've seen Funchess slam open, and others as well, but Cam forces the ball to KB. Cam's going to have to correct some things too. You can't put all that on the receiver. It's a leaders job to trust and include everyone when you get down to it. 

[*FreeFua*]

 

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think all that's overblown. I've seen Funchess slam open, and others as well), but Cam forces the ball to KB. Cam's going to have to correct some things too. You can't put all that on the receiver. It's a leaders job to trust and include everyone when you get down to it. 

Cam trusts Benji more than Funchess and there's a reason for that. A QB is going to go to someone he trusts more than the next guy a good percentage of the time 

https://youtu.be/eysZks7Uhrg

This play is an example where Cam sees Benji barely has a step but that's good enough for him to toss it up despite Funchess having 2 steps on his man.

Cam trusts Benji enough to toss it up and even though under thrown Benji comes down with it. That further builds trust. 

You can't honestly think Cam is going through his reads looking at every one of his WR's like they're all the same...?

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You're telling me that like it wasn't mentioned---hell, amost showcased in the OP. 

You obviously missed the part where Ewing said that Funchess only had three drops, so you can't blame it on him dropping a tremendous number of balls. Like Ewing said, there is a disconnect between Funchess and Cam that the two need to figure out.

Because it's something I've been talking about since at least June.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/138930-captains-corner-munnerlyn-goes-around-charlotte-asking-people-panther-trivia-questions/?do=findComment&comment=4142712

Everyone else's catch rate last year was at or above their average with the Panthers. Everyone except Funchess. 

[top dawg]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

 

Cam trusts Benji more than Funchess and there's a reason for that. A QB is going to go to someone he trusts more than the next guy a good percentage of the time 

https://youtu.be/eysZks7Uhrg

This play is an example where Cam sees Benji barely has a step but that's good enough for him to toss it up despite Funchess having 2 steps on his man.

Cam trusts Benji enough to toss it up and even though under thrown Benji comes down with it. That further builds trust. 

That's all fine and good, but as long as Cam continues to force the ball to Benjamin, neither he nor the offense will be all that it can be. It's ultimately counterproductive. 

And I still believe that this notion that Funchess is just hotdogging it out there is B.S. He arguably played with more energy than Benjamin.

[Castavar]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. One of my criticisms of Gettleman is that he didn't draft WRs, he drafted athletes who fit the mold of what he envisioned as a WR. 

I honestly think Gettleman thought Cam + big bodied receivers = unstoppable (and tbh, so did a LOT of us). He probably thought we could just body every team with huge receivers and a huge QB. Guess he forgot to include a tiny little fact...........whether they could run consistent good routes or not. I never thought huge WRs fitted Cam's style tbh. Everybody thought that just because they a bigger catch radius that Cam would be better off. Ever since Cam entered the league, he ALWAYS had better results with small, shifty WRs (Steve Smith, Philly Brown, Cotchery). He even showed in the pro bowl what he could do with a WR like Desean Jackson. That's why I'm SO excited to see him and CMC rip the league this year.

[*FreeFua*]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's all fine and good, but as long as Cam continues to force the ball to Benjamin, neither he nor the offense will be all that it can be. It's ultimately counterproductive. 

And I still believe that this notion that Funchess is just hotdogging it out there is B.S. He arguably played with more energy than Benjamin.

I've never said Funchess was "hotdogging it"  he's just not that tough WR that Benji is. At Funchess' size he needs to be able to do things with his body because although his route running is better than Benji's he's not quick enough (deep speed yes, he's got serious deep speed) to get in and out of his breaks on the short/intermediate routes to rely solely on his route running.

Funchess issue is that he relies on his athleticism to get him by and he has since his college days. Michigan fans were saying the same things we are now every offseason with Funch. He has all the tools and measurables he just doesn't have the extra "it".

[The Huddler]

Damn.   

 

I wish we drafted a fast WR early this year

[The Huddler]

Look at it this way

 

 

id rather have 5 guys that each bring an elite skill and ability to the table than 1 guy that has it all

 

Its like having a menu to choose from. Certain down and distances or certain situations have the docter call for a certain remidies. 

 

We have an elite jump ball guy, and elite QB, Elite pass catching RB, Elite speed in Samuel, etc.

 

and once a rthym is established and we get rolling on offense we will be VERY hard to stop

 

trust me i player madden 18 today with EA Access and madden = real life

 

kidding aside we will be really good on offense. 

 

Whats the phrase?  The sum if the whole is greater than it's parts. 

 

Yeah, thats it

 

here a clip off madden from today  was able to upload to youtube through the youtube app on xbox    I have a bunch more  im goung to make a thread featuring McCaffrey and Samuel  boy, they are wrapons on maddem this year 

 

 

 

 

[Pantha-kun]

9 hours ago, The Huddler said:

Damn.   

 

I wish we drafted a fast WR early this year

Ross was too much of an injury risk and Dede Westbrook had character concerns . there weren't a lot of pure speed options, gettleman did what he could getting Samuel and hoping he polishes his WR skills , he def has the speed . If he does well enough they'll probably try him and hopefully byrd as well on the outside . 

[SetfreexX]

13 hours ago, beastson said:

Right so Samuel should work out

Ginn ran like three routes, Go / Post / Deep Comeback and on occasion he ran some mesh concepts, with the reverses. Ginn was used how he needed to be. You don't score 10 TDs not being used properly. 

What we didn't do a good job of last year was pass protection, and we didn't use Brown enough as another guy who could create space.

Outside the redzone KB/Funch/Olsen is a redundant combination, all possession / intermediate threats primarily. We need to keep more speed / quickness on the field at WR2 when moving the ball in between the 20's. That with an improved OL will provide better throwing lanes. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, Pantha-kun said:

Ross was too much of an injury risk and Dede Westbrook had character concerns . there weren't a lot of pure speed options, gettleman did what he could getting Samuel and hoping he polishes his WR skills , he def has the speed . If he does well enough they'll probably try him and hopefully byrd as well on the outside . 

I think your sarcasm detector may need a little fine tuning.

[SOJA]

I never did really want to draft Kelvin, thought I was proven wrong his rookie year, and definitely thought I was going to be wrong before he tore his ACL in camp. But ever since then, I'm slowly becoming more "correct".

That being said, Kelvin's game has never been to be a precise route runner and I don't know if he physically can ever become one: he's just too big. 

Funchess on the other hand, Funchess was "supposed" to be our route runner but the jury is still out on him. 

Part of the problem with Funchess is when he gets targeted he doesn't play as tall as he is. The other problem is Cam doesn't look his way enough. 

Time will tell but I would not be surprised if the Panthers ended up moving on from both WRs in the future, especially if we don't see an improvement this year. 

 

[OriginalPantherDan]

14 hours ago, top dawg said:

Hell, I know why we didn't get D-Jax, but I'll be damned if we couldnct have landed Cruz (who looks pretty good so far, at least in action).

Watched Jackson drop an easy TD last night. I don't watch enough of him to know if this is his norm, but it didn't make me pine for him, either.