Still the same ol' twin towers? I hope not.

[Saca312]

It's like Gettleman just got a free agent who can run those routes (Shepard) and drafted two receivers who are great route runners (CMC & Samuel) and one who is a deep & vertical burner who separates (Samuel).

[Saca312]

@LinvilleGorge Benjamin accounted for just as much of Cam's failed receptions as Ginn had. Did you know that?

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

There is a reason castoffs from other teams like Shepard come to Carolina and look like all-stars.  Give Cam a WR who can create space, and he lights them up.  Just look at what Olsen has done 3 years running. 

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Never understood the people who dog KB for putting up nearly 1000 yards in the two seasons he's played while so many hold out hope for Funchess to become this mythical #1 WR.

Sure, I'd like to see KB be more consistent, but he's definitely not a problem for this WR corps.

Yeah. Maybe. But is simply being a big-bodied receiver that can win jump balls enough to justify paying top dollar to when he decides he wants a big ol' contract?

And the reason people hold out more hope for Funchess is because Funchess is basically the more athletic of the two. He's certainly the faster, better route runner. 

[Basbear]

 

How much are new coaches causing? No more "big bro" Ricky, more of a coach approach with cotchery playing buffer.

Btw I rewatched a couple 2015 games, cotchery had a bigger impact than I originally thought.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

@LinvilleGorge Benjamin accounted for just as much of Cam's failed receptions as Ginn had. Did you know that?

Not surprising at all. KB isn't as consistent as I would like plus he's the guy Cam tends to force the ball to most.

[*FreeFua*]

19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah. Maybe. But is simply being a big-bodied receiver that can win jump balls enough to justify paying top dollar to when he decides he wants a big ol' contract?

And the reason people hold out more hope for Funchess is because Funchess is basically the more athletic of the two. He's certainly the faster, better route runner. 

Athleticism only gets you so far.

No one will debate who the better athlete of the two is and although Funchess is obviously the better route runner his route running combined with his inability to use his body just doesn't get the job done. Benjamin although a poor route runner, he knows how to use his body and that's the difference 

[*FreeFua*]

Just now, Promethean Forerunner said:

As a tweet came out today eluded to... effort. He barely attempted to go vertical for a reception.

Being horsefed doesn't count. Cam loves to target Benjamin even when he's draped with 2-3 defenders. His numbers are simply inflated to me.

Oh boo hoo KB didn't go up for a ball at PRACTICE. 

KB goes up and gets balls when it matters. Funchess shows up in practice because he knows he isn't going to get hit.

[top dawg]

23 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

It's like Gettleman just got a free agent who can run those routes (Shepard) and drafted two receivers who are great route runners (CMC & Samuel) and one who is a deep & vertical burner who separates (Samuel).

Yeah, honestly I keep forgetting about Shepard. Seriously. Yeah, I know. I know. He has upside blah blah blah. Perhaps once the season starts and he makes an impact he will actually make an impression upon me. I'll give him his due.

But Saca, I didn't quote you because of Shepard, I'm requesting that you---EVERYONE--refrain from referring to CMC as a receiver. He's an RB---a multidimensional one---but an RB all the same. 

[top dawg]

14 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Athleticism only gets you so far.

No one will debate who the better athlete of the two is and although Funchess is obviously the better route runner his route running combined with his inability to use his body just doesn't get the job done. Benjamin although a poor route runner, he knows how to use his body and that's the difference 

Is it...the real difference? Funchess is not as physical as Benjamin, but I think that the biggest difference between the two is that Cam is looking Benjamin's way a whole lot more than Funchess, at many times when he shouldn't be. If Cam and Funchess can establish and solidify chemistry, then you'll see the truth.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Is it...the real difference? Funchess is not as physical as Benjamin, but I think that the biggest difference between the two is that Cam is looking Benjamin's way a whole lot more than Funchess, at many times when he shouldn't be. If Cam and Funchess can establish and solidify chemistry, then you'll see the truth.

Funchess had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL. THE worst among players with 50+ targets.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Is it...the real difference? Funchess is not as physical as Benjamin, but I think that the biggest difference between the two is that Cam is looking Benjamin's way a whole lot more than Funchess, at many times when he shouldn't be. If Cam and Funchess can establish and solidify chemistry, then you'll see the truth.

And that's on Funchess. You need to prove to your QB he can trust you as a WR. Benjamin has done that. There's a reason why Cam looks Benji's way and not Devin's at crucial times. Devin hasn't done a whole lot to make Cam throw it to him over Benji. 

We've seen Devin slip on routes, not fight for balls, not fight through contact. I'm not saying Benjamin is perfect but you know he's going to go up and do everything in his power to come down with that ball, with Devin you never know. 

[csx]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Is it...the real difference? Funchess is not as physical as Benjamin, but I think that the biggest difference between the two is that Cam is looking Benjamin's way a whole lot more than Funchess, at many times when he shouldn't be. If Cam and Funchess can establish and solidify chemistry, then you'll see the truth.

Of course. Funchess has never been a starter and Benjamin has always been one. He was 4th of receivers last year in snap count. 5th taking in to consideration Olsen. This season provides a significant opportunity for that to change.  As a 3rd year guy its time for Funchess to step up...or not.

[Saca312]

17 minutes ago, top dawg said:

But Saca, I didn't quote you because of Shepard, I'm requesting that you---EVERYONE--refrain from referring to CMC as a receiver. He's an RB---a multidimensional one---but an RB all the same. 

Fair enough. He is by far his best as a runningback. But honestly, if he went into the draft as a pure slot, he'd be one of the top slots from his class. That's what makes his game so great.