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Gruden LOVES Steve Smith LOL

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While that may be, I like to look at the complete collapse of an entire franchise, from top to bottom, since Gruden's departure in Oakland. Anyone that can make a successful team under the senile control of Al Davis' gets my respect. I'm not dabbling too much into our future head coach scenarios yet at 0-3 with 3 VERY winnable games ahead of us due to the fear of people quoting my panic posts and making me look silly 3 weeks from now when we're sitting at .500.

I think my point is that Gruden has a leg-up on all other candidates for any possible vacancies in our coaching staff, as he knows our divisional players and most importantly our team very, very well. He's watched hundreds of hours of game film for most of those guys.

Plus I know people say he lost his team and he yells maybe too much, but maybe that's what we need. It's like how I don't like women that are too passive. But after 4 years with the most domineering bitch on the planet, I had to get with a woman who was pretty much a marshmallow with a pulse. I needed a change of pace.

Best analogy ever! You get a gold star.

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Maybe not as a Panthers head coach, but in his prime years, yes, he was twice the coach Jon Gruden is/was.

LOL, Seifert was never a good HC. He just inherited so much talent in San Francisco that it was almost impossible to screw it up. Gruden was set up perfectly in Tampa also. He not only inherited a legitimate contender, he got to face his old team in the Super Bowl, so he knew their offense as well or maybe even better than they did. Fox inherited a 1-15 team and had to face the Patriots in the Super Bowl. It's apples and oranges.

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LOL, Seifert was never a good HC. He just inherited so much talent in San Francisco that it was almost impossible to screw it up. Gruden was set up perfectly in Tampa also. He not only inherited a legitimate contender, he got to face his old team in the Super Bowl, so he knew their offense as well or maybe even better than they did. Fox inherited a 1-15 team and had to face the Patriots in the Super Bowl. It's apples and oranges.

Seifert had great coordinators in SF and not so much in Carolina. Gruden though was the missing link in TB. He also fielded a strong team in Oak before he left. He may have burned out but the start of his coaching carrier was a very successful one that got him a SB. Fox cant say that.

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LOL, Seifert was never a good HC. He just inherited so much talent in San Francisco that it was almost impossible to screw it up. Gruden was set up perfectly in Tampa also. He not only inherited a legitimate contender, he got to face his old team in the Super Bowl, so he knew their offense as well or maybe even better than they did. Fox inherited a 1-15 team and had to face the Patriots in the Super Bowl. It's apples and oranges.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I think Fox is a great coach. I think Gruden is a great coach. I think Gruden wore out his welcome in Tampa Bay just as I feel Fox has worn out his stay here. That's not to say neither coach is good, but that I think they could flourish somewhere else. There's a reason why coaches hardly ever stay somewhere for that long in the NFL. It doesn't mean they aren't good, only that their approach may have gotten a little stale with their organization and that it's time to move on to new places.

If we let Fox go after or during this season, there is no doubt in my mind that he'd have a job before next year's draft. And he'd probably do well in his new home. But there is a chance that his style has just become stale to the players here, and maybe they would respond (play) better to a coach that would kick them in the ass when they fumble at crucial moments, not clap and say it's ok, we'll get 'em next time.

This is not a fire Fox petition on my part, I like him and think he could turn things around this year, but I'm a Panthers fan, not a Fox/Hurney/Peppers/Smith/Williams/Beason/Etc. fan. So I want what is in the best interest of my favorite team, which may or may not be to go in the direction of a new HC, which I personally feel Jon Gruden has as much potential as anyone to be a good fit.

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I think Fox is a great coach. I think Gruden is a great coach. I think Gruden wore out his welcome in Tampa Bay just as I feel Fox has worn out his stay here. That's not to say neither coach is good, but that I think they could flourish somewhere else. There's a reason why coaches hardly ever stay somewhere for that long in the NFL. It doesn't mean they aren't good, only that their approach may have gotten a little stale with their organization and that it's time to move on to new places.

If we let Fox go after or during this season, there is no doubt in my mind that he'd have a job before next year's draft. And he'd probably do well in his new home. But there is a chance that his style has just become stale to the players here, and maybe they would respond (play) better to a coach that would kick them in the ass when they fumble at crucial moments, not clap and say it's ok, we'll get 'em next time.

This is not a fire Fox petition on my part, I like him and think he could turn things around this year, but I'm a Panthers fan, not a Fox/Hurney/Peppers/Smith/Williams/Beason/Etc. fan. So I want what is in the best interest of my favorite team, which may or may not be to go in the direction of a new HC, which I personally feel Jon Gruden has as much potential as anyone to be a good fit.

I agree man

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We prob will never see Gruden here though. Richardson likes D coaches not O coaches. He feels that offensive coaches fall in love with there scheme and do not like to make adjustments. Hmmm you know that sounds very familiar.

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We prob will never see Gruden here though. Richardson likes D coaches not O coaches. He feels that offensive coaches fall in love with there scheme and do not like to make adjustments. Hmmm you know that sounds very familiar.

This is very true. Maybe if Lane Kiffin fails enough at Tennessee then he will get fired, and Gruden could convince Monte to come back with him. Who knows with the ever-changing coaching world. I mean, Florida State is talking about ousting Bowden for christ's sake. How is something like that even conceived as a possibilty for that program? Even if he didn't have another winning season for the rest of his life there, the man should be above business and get to decide when he wants to leave.

Wasn't FSU an all-girls school before he got there? I swear I heard that somewhere. Anyways, that's a whole other topic for another thread. I hope Fox turns things around and this whole topic becomes moot. But if he doesn't, I'll be the first one here putting a mini panthers jersey on a Chucky doll. :)

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Seifert had great coordinators in SF and not so much in Carolina. Gruden though was the missing link in TB. He also fielded a strong team in Oak before he left. He may have burned out but the start of his coaching carrier was a very successful one that got him a SB. Fox cant say that.

The point is that Fox inherited the worst team in football, took them to the Super Bowl in 2 years, and barely lost to a better opponent than the Raiders team that Gruden faced, and he owned Gruden when he faced his teams head to head. Besides that, it's not like Tampa needed Vince Lombardi...they just needed a decent offense to go with the dominating defense that was already in place.

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