More Kalil on Matsko (via Observer's Rodrigue)

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

His rookie year, was a probowl season. 

I don't care if you think the pro bowl is a joke (it is), that is a damn good rookie season for a LT. 

Are you willing to tell me you never expect a player to get bacl to that type of play? That he wouldn't get better as a vet? 

You can talk all you want to about injury, and his down year, if just shows you ignore common basic knowledge.

If cam had a lost year this season due to injury,  you telling me, he wouldn't be worth a top contract?

I understand what you're saying, but the NFL don't work like that.

Kalil has only had one year befitting of a top paid LT no matter how you slice it. One!  

[top dawg]

And for what it's worth, @pantherclaw, it's not like I am alone in my belief. Neither you or anyone else has to give any credence to PFF, but I do. Just like these contracts, there are intangibles and situations that have to be taken into account when grading these players, but PFF is generally somewhere in the ballpark of reality. I don't believe that PFF is patently unfair, and that's why most clubs, players and agents use it as a tool.

Anyway, here is what PFF had to say.

OT MATT KALIL TO CAROLINA PANTHERS

Actual: Five years, $55.5 million, $25 million guaranteed

PFF play-earned contract: Two years, $6 million, $2 million guaranteed

Grade: F

Matt Kalil has earned PFF grades of 43.8, 68.4 and 36.9 over the past three seasons, one of which was almost entirely lost to injury. His best season was as a rookie in 2012, and since then, he has been varying shades of poor. His play suggests he should be making little more than the veteran minimum, not walking into another starting job as one of the best-paid tackles in the league.

 

That's pretty bad, @tiger7_88And I wasn't even aware that they were in the business of grading contracts until tonight (not that I know it's a regular occurrence).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-grading-every-deal-of-2017-nfl-free-agency

[Jon Snow]

9 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And for what it's worth, @pantherclaw, it's not like I am alone in my belief. Neither you or anyone else has to give any credence to PFF, but I do. Just like these contracts, there are intangibles and situations that have to be taken into account when grading these players, but PFF is generally somewhere in the ballpark of reality. I don't believe that PFF is patently unfair, and that's why most clubs, players and agents use it as a tool.

Anyway, here is what PFF had to say.

OT MATT KALIL TO CAROLINA PANTHERS

Actual: Five years, $55.5 million, $25 million guaranteed

PFF play-earned contract: Two years, $6 million, $2 million guaranteed

Grade: F

Matt Kalil has earned PFF grades of 43.8, 68.4 and 36.9 over the past three seasons, one of which was almost entirely lost to injury. His best season was as a rookie in 2012, and since then, he has been varying shades of poor. His play suggests he should be making little more than the veteran minimum, not walking into another starting job as one of the best-paid tackles in the league.

 

That's pretty bad, @tiger7_88And I wasn't even aware that they were in the business of grading contracts until tonight (not that I know it's a regular occurrence).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-grading-every-deal-of-2017-nfl-free-agency

You can't judge the value of the risk until the end if the contract.  This is speculation that the value won't be realized and that's all.  It's not a true predictor unless it turns out to be a failure.  It's no different than saying he will be a HOF based on his rookie season.  It's all a gamble, a shot in the dark based solely on Dave's risk assessment.  We won't know the results until the contract is up or he doesn't see the end of it.  It''s that simple.

[top dawg]

Now, again, I don't mind the fact that they signed him, I was scoffed at by some earlier this year when I suggested that we sign Kalil, but damn!

Like my OP suggests, I am hopeful, and I believe in Matsko's magic. Hopefully he can help get Kalil back to his Pro Bowl level and worthy of the contract he signed.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You can't judge the value of the risk until the end if the contract.  This is speculation that the value won't be realized and that's all.  It's not a true predictor unless it turns out to be a failure.  It's no different than saying he will be a HOF based on his rookie season.  It's all a gamble, a shot in the dark based solely on Dave's risk assessment.  We won't know the results until the contract is up or he doesn't see the end of it.  It''s that simple.

That's all fine and good, but at least you realize it's a gamble, and I've already expounded upon why the wager was too high in my and many many others' assessment.

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's all fine and good, but at least you realize it's a gamble, and I've already expounded upon why the wager was too high in my and many many others' assessment.

I've never stated otherwise.  I said at the time it's a huge gamble and that I hoped old Nippleshorts knew what he was doing. 

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Kalil has only had one year befitting of a top paid LT no matter how you slice it. One!  

And when Kalil plays like a top LT, he'll be earning his contract. Nothing wrong with that. You can't get a pro bowl calibur LT that is entering his prime, for peanuts. 

Cry all you want.

[pantherclaw]

And no, @top dawg,

I don't care what pff says. 

Honestly, every contract is a gamble. This is the NFL. Like it or not, it's a modern day gladiator type sport, and players get hurt more often now than they ever have. 

You either take a gamble to get a top talented LT, or you sign some journey man, and cry and whine when he doesn't play as well as you expect him to.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

And no, @top dawg

You either take a gamble to get a top talented LT, or you sign some journey man, and cry and whine when he doesn't play as well as you expect him to.

Or you sign an older stalwart vet, and draft a young stud, or simply wait for a better deal. 

[pantherclaw]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Or you sign an older stalwart vet, and draft a young stud, or simply wait for a better deal. 

Cause things are that simple in the NFL. 

 

 

Right.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Cause things are that simple in the NFL. 

 

 

Right.

Yeah cause there's an ample supply of the first two options.  And I never understood why most teams chose the last option.

[Darknight]

5 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Yeah cause there's an ample supply of the first two options.  And I never understood why most teams chose the last option.

Ample?

Mick? Is that you?

[Jeremy Igo]

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, top dawg said:

And for what it's worth, @pantherclaw, it's not like I am alone in my belief. Neither you or anyone else has to give any credence to PFF, but I do. Just like these contracts, there are intangibles and situations that have to be taken into account when grading these players, but PFF is generally somewhere in the ballpark of reality. I don't believe that PFF is patently unfair, and that's why most clubs, players and agents use it as a tool.

Anyway, here is what PFF had to say.

OT MATT KALIL TO CAROLINA PANTHERS

Actual: Five years, $55.5 million, $25 million guaranteed

PFF play-earned contract: Two years, $6 million, $2 million guaranteed

Grade: F

Matt Kalil has earned PFF grades of 43.8, 68.4 and 36.9 over the past three seasons, one of which was almost entirely lost to injury. His best season was as a rookie in 2012, and since then, he has been varying shades of poor. His play suggests he should be making little more than the veteran minimum, not walking into another starting job as one of the best-paid tackles in the league.

 

That's pretty bad, @tiger7_88And I wasn't even aware that they were in the business of grading contracts until tonight (not that I know it's a regular occurrence).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-grading-every-deal-of-2017-nfl-free-agency

 

Know what I take from the above?

That when it comes to contracts/money in the NFL that PFF lives in a dreamland of their own invention and has no idea (or does have an idea and refuses to take account) of the real world of agents, team negotiations, and market value.