So how's our boy Kony Ealy doin'?

[csx]

The Patriots traded for him! He's going to be an All Pro!  Gosh he says the Patriots do things different! Dammit Richardson!

THEN

How stupid can you be to have ever drafted this guy! I'm putting a post dated imaginary mark in an imaginary report card of a former GM!

[frash.exe]

44 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

He did take Kelvin Benjamin the first round that year. It would have been double dipping to take another WR, which in hindsight would have been a good move.

honestly if this team really really wants a good, productive WR in our system, and i've been kicking the thought around for a while, they should basically package a bunch of picks and trade up to get an elite prospect, like the falcons did with julio jones. either that or sign a proven vet with the speed to whiz by everybody else. that's the only way they really have a fighting chance. hopefully samuel pans out but they're playing the pick 4 with all of these mid round WR picks. 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

honestly if this team really really wants a good, productive WR in our system, and i've been kicking the thought around for a while, they should basically package a bunch of picks and trade up to get an elite prospect, like the falcons did with julio jones. either that or sign a proven vet with the speed to whiz by everybody else. that's the only way they really have a fighting chance. hopefully samuel pans out but they're playing the pick 4 with all of these mid round WR picks. 

With our luck if we gave up an entire draft for a WR he would probably end up one of the biggest draft busts in history.

[top dawg]

47 minutes ago, stbugs said:

That 3rd rounder would have helped. Hurney got us Frank Alexander and the two players selected after the 3rd round pick we gave up? OT Terron Armstead and WR Keenan Allen.

I like that you bag on Ealy, but Gettleman never wasted next year's trades as much as Hurney. Ealy was a shot at super talent (see SB performance) but inconsistent play. It was a risky pick and it didn't work out.

Our 2015 Super Bowl team could have had Dez Bryant instead of Cotchery and Terron Armstead instead of Remmers. And that is just 2 of the bad trades.

Yeah, Hurney fuged up a lot, especially later in his tenure, no doubt! But in my mind, G-man was no genius, except at fixing the cap and establishing a culture of fiscal responsibility and pulling salary expectations back down to earth. As for some of his picks---why and when he picked them---I thought he did a good job, just not great. And I was fully skeptical of some of them like Ealy, Butler, Shaq and Funchess. And I even was skeptical of some of the later moves like Benwikere, because we gave up draft capital to get them.

Don't get me wrong, I am not banging on Gettleman for his philosophies, because I always say that there's more than one road to a championship, but his drafts weren't pristine Picassos (so to speak). 

I've said this before, but for me, there are a couple of moments when Gettleman could have really enshrined his (Huddle) status as a genius GM. There were two poignant moments where he should have done the "right" thing and fixed a couple of problems for maybe years to come:

1. Let Greg Hardy walk and invest some of that money into Jared Veldheer (as I suggested at the time). 

2. Drafted Hunter Henry as opposed to another hogmollie.

These two moves, though totally sensible, were also thinking outside of the box (not only generally, but specially Gettleman's box as well). He didn't even consider Veldheer as far as I know, and though Henry was on our radar, Gettleman ultimately did what he loved to do: he drafted his big man!

And, look, I'm not saying that some of the people that Gettleman drafted like Butler will eventually be Kony Ealys, but what I'm suggesting is that he could have been much more practical and efficient in the short to long term than seemingly being overly concerned with the long term at the expense of the short term (if you get what I'm saying). That's why I never gave Gettleman an A as a GM. Though his money management was great, his people management was suspect, and his roster building was a mixed bag.

 

46 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

getting to a Super Bowl is a sign of a successful FO imo

 

 

 

 

Crapping the bed the next year by not addressing the needs that kept you from winning that Super Bowl can be construed as an equal sign of failure. 

[*FreeFua*]

Or we could've just signed Desean Jackson to a 2/23.5 million dollar deal and have been done with it but nope 

[Cary Kollins]

6 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

honestly if this team really really wants a good, productive WR in our system, and i've been kicking the thought around for a while, they should basically package a bunch of picks and trade up to get an elite prospect, like the falcons did with julio jones. either that or sign a proven vet with the speed to whiz by everybody else. that's the only way they really have a fighting chance. hopefully samuel pans out but they're playing the pick 4 with all of these mid round WR picks. 

 

Yeah I've thought about that too. It's tough, it has to be a transcendent talent like Jones, plus you can't make mistakes or else you'll fall off, like the Falcons did before rebounding last year. It leaves little room for error, but if you feel like you're one elite WR away from greatness, go for it.

[csx]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Or we could've just signed Desean Jackson to a 2/23.5 million dollar deal and have been done with it but nope 

That's a Redskins/Bucs move. Their decision making isn't something to emulate.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, csx said:

That's a Redskins/Bucs move. Their decision making isn't something to emulate.

Yeah, how dumb of the Bucs to surround Winston with legit weapons.

[outlaw4]

So far, we may have won more out of trade than we thought. Why the fuss?

[Proudiddy]

7 hours ago, luke nukem said:

bradberry and kalil doe

True, but that's two out of like 17 years lol.

[luke nukem]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

True, but that's two out of like 17 years lol.

Your forgetting Short, and hopefully Moton and Samuel ;)

 

gunna miss gentleman

[t96]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

Thanks for answering.

I get what you're saying about hindsight, but what kills me (and, yes, some may still call it arguable) is that we absolutely NEEDED a receiver though. And it's not just a G-man thing per se, because Hurney had his opportunities as well, but at least he tried. 

Gettleman passed up on so many talented receivers during his time here. I understand to a point as to why he did it. I just didn't always agree.

I often wonder what would've happened if Star hadn't fallen to us. I wonder if he'd have taken Short in the first because that would have opened up some things for us at receiver in the second. Unfortunately we didn't have a third, but in retrospect, maybe he would have moved up to get another wide out.

 

 

We drafted KB that year in the first, it's not like we neglected receiver after purging it. BPA was the strategy and ultimately the FO determined that Ealy was the best upside pick at that spot, and judging by his SB performance I don't know how anyone can deny that he had outrageously good upside at that late of a pick. It's too bad he didn't wind up putting it all together but having players not transition and mature is just part of the uncertainty of drafting players. It's not like Robinson or Landry are even all that amazing either. Definitely solid for where they ended up being picked but they've been wildly inconsistent too. And understand that in 2014 we had a lot of holes, especially with the Hardy uncertainty at DE, and all over the secondary, OL and yes WR. It's not like WR was the only hole on the roster and HAD to be addressed with multiple early picks. We addressed it right off the bat and then went BPA that happened to align with other positions of need with Ealy and then Trai.

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

We drafted KB that year in the first, it's not like we neglected receiver after purging it. BPA was the strategy and ultimately the FO determined that Ealy was the best upside pick at that spot, and judging by his SB performance I don't know how anyone can deny that he had outrageously good upside at that late of a pick. It's too bad he didn't wind up putting it all together but having players not transition and mature is just part of the uncertainty of drafting players. It's not like Robinson or Landry are even all that amazing either. Definitely solid for where they ended up being picked but they've been wildly inconsistent too. And understand that in 2014 we had a lot of holes, especially with the Hardy uncertainty at DE, and all over the secondary, OL and yes WR. It's not like WR was the only hole on the roster and HAD to be addressed with multiple early picks. We addressed it right off the bat and then went BPA that happened to align with other positions of need with Ealy and then Trai.

Many would tell you that Robinson's play was a direct result of Bottles' inconsistency. As for Landry, he may be the premier slot receiver in the league. Most will tell you that both were excellent values. I'm pretty sure that many would have told you then that they were surer prospects at WR than Ealy was at DE.

But this is useless. Gettleman's gone. Robinson is a Jaguar and Landry a Dolphin, and Ealy a Patriot. In the main forum, we have an Ealy thread, a Remmers thread, and a Ginn thread. I'm going to refocus on the Panthers.

[Proudiddy]

55 minutes ago, luke nukem said:

Your forgetting Short, and hopefully Moton and Samuel ;)

 

gunna miss gentleman

He did better...  but I'm just saying we have a more established history of blowing 2nd round picks than hitting on them.  You would think we would've hit on more than we have to this point in our history...  but, regardless, I'm happy we have the guys you mentioned who have become great players.