So how's our boy Kony Ealy doin'?

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

so then why have such grandiose expectations of brilliance from an executive? he's not going to beat the owner because he can't fire an owner, but the owner sure as poo can fire his ass.

the next gm is going to have to be an appeaser more than anything else. it might as well be marty. history has proven that you can last longer here for being more of an appeaser than someone who actually wants to build a good football team, disgruntled former players' opinions be damned.

 

Let's not act as if Gettleman was a puppet. He came in and cut Jordan Gross and Steve Smith like it was nothing whatsoever. Obviously he had some leeway to work with.

All petty grudges or disagreements aside, we both have been around long enough to know what we're getting with Hurney. All I can do is hope that we can make a run this year while we still have our core intact.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

You can't hit on every pick. Ealy was a LATE 2nd rounder. What do you think the hit percentage on late 2nd rounders is? It's not good. Ealy had tremendous upside when we took him and that clearly showed in the Super Bowl and a few other games here and there that he played well in. Ultimately he just couldn't put it all together and mature enough to realize his potential. Was well worth a late 2nd at the time. You never know how a player will transition from college into the NFL or the reality of life for that matter, and I'd say it was well worth that pick to find out. 

I'm a DG supporter but I look at his moves logically and with objectivity. There are DG picks I hated and don't understand at all then and now, but Ealy just isn't one of them. There are other DG moves, like rescinding the Norman tag, I don't like either. But all in all he did a very good job overall of managing the cap and setting up the roster as a whole.  

Nah, man. G-man wasted a pick because of his blind love for hog mollies. 

Someone can answer, because I'm too lazy to look it up, but was Ealy one of those moves where we traded some spots to move up? If so, that makes it even worse. If not, then so what! G-man still drove me crazy doing that poo.

But, the real problem---the real tragedy--is that I know we missed out on a quality receiver or safety because of this. That's what hurts the most...(in the melody of the Rascal Flatt's)

G-man doesn't get a pass for this. I'm sorry. He just doesn't. If you can't get a hit in the second, late or otherwise, you've fuged up. This is even more true when you're Optimus Scoutus!

[Cary Kollins]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Nah, man. G-man wasted a pick because of his blind love for hog mollies. 

Someone can answer, because I'm too lazy to look it up, but was Ealy one of those moves where we traded some spots to move up? If so, that makes it even worse. If not, then so what! G-man still drove me crazy doing that poo.

But, the real problem---the real tragedy--is that I know we missed out on a quality receiver or safety because of this. That's what hurts the most...(in the melody of the Rascal Flatt's)

G-man doesn't get a pass for this. I'm sorry. He just doesn't. If you can't get a hit in the second, late or otherwise, you've fuged up. This is even more true when you're Optimus Scoutus!

 

We didn't trade up for Ealy, but it does sting that Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry were drafted the next three picks.

 

BUT hindsight is 20/20 dog, there's a long list of garbage players taken before Robinson and Landry that plenty of teams would like to have back.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NFL_Draft

[TheRed]

Some real irony here in both who the source who is praising the pick, and the comment about lack of consistency.

GETTLEMAGIC.

PICK ANALYSIS:

"I think there's real value to that pick at No. 60. He was thought to be a first-round defensive end. However, there's a lack of consistency as you watch more game tape." -- Mike Mayock

[Cary Kollins]

Gettleman also snagged Trai Turner in the third round so omg he is a dumbass but also a genius it's almost like these things are not perfect science.

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Gettleman also snagged Trai Turner in the third round so omg he is a dumbass but also a genius it's almost like these things are not perfect science.

I think we can discuss his positive moves and the negatives without automatically assuming anyone who questions the negatives thinks Gettleman is a dumbass or the worst GM in history.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

We didn't trade up for Ealy, but it does sting that Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry were drafted the next three picks.

 

BUT hindsight is 20/20 dog, there's a long list of garbage players taken before Robinson and Landry that plenty of teams would like to have back.

Thanks for answering.

I get what you're saying about hindsight, but what kills me (and, yes, some may still call it arguable) is that we absolutely NEEDED a receiver though. And it's not just a G-man thing per se, because Hurney had his opportunities as well, but at least he tried. 

Gettleman passed up on so many talented receivers during his time here. I understand to a point as to why he did it. I just didn't always agree.

I often wonder what would've happened if Star hadn't fallen to us. I wonder if he'd have taken Short in the first because that would have opened up some things for us at receiver in the second. Unfortunately we didn't have a third, but in retrospect, maybe he would have moved up to get another wide out.

 

 

[Cary Kollins]

Just now, top dawg said:

Thanks for answering.

I get what you're saying about hindsight, but what kills me (and, yes, some may still call it arguable) is that we absolutely NEEDED a receiver though. And it's not just a G-man thing per se, because Hurney had his opportunities as well, but at least he tried. 

Gettleman passed up on so many talented receivers during his time here. I understand to a point as to why he did it. I just didn't always agree.

I often wonder what would've happened if Star hadn't fallen to us. I wonder if he'd have taken Short in the first because that would have opened up some things for us at receiver in the second. Unfortunately we didn't have a third, but in retrospect, maybe he would have moved up to get another wide out.

 

 

 

He did take Kelvin Benjamin the first round that year. It would have been double dipping to take another WR, which in hindsight would have been a good move.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

He did take Kelvin Benjamin the first round that year. It would have been double dipping to take another WR, which in hindsight would have been a good move.

I wanted him to take Robinson bad, just like I wanted him to take another receiver from the same school in the worst kind of way this year. Oh well.

[TheRed]

My first post in this thread could have been worded and/or elaborted better on admittedly. I hit submit a little early but if I have to take a loss on it so be it, I will admit my mistake.

What some of you guys have to realize is just how thin the margin from being a Super Bowl winner versus a Super Bowl loser can actually be in the modern NFL. Look at the 2016 Falcons.

So please take off the Panthers shades for a few minutes, and apply just a smidge of critical thinking. You don't need to feel one way or another about the FO to do this.

[Cary Kollins]

getting to a Super Bowl is a sign of a successful FO imo

 

 

 

 

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

getting to a Super Bowl is a sign of a successful FO imo

 

 

 

 

Going along with that logic, you must acknowledge that we wouldn't have gotten there if not for crucial pieces added by the previous FO.

[Cary Kollins]

Just now, TheRed said:

Going along with that logic, you must acknowledge that we wouldn't have gotten there if not for crucial pieces added by the previous FO.

 

Yes I agree the Panthers would not have made the SB without Cam, Luke and others.

 

[Mother Grabber]

27 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Ealy was a shot at super talent (see SB performance) but inconsistent play. It was a risky pick and it didn't work out.

and the really key part of it is that he didn't sit on him for too long.  When he saw it wasn't working, he kicked him to the curb and got something in return.  Nothing wrong with taking a shot on a player.  Sitting on him for 5 years is a much bigger mistake.  One thing Gettleburger was very good at was cutting his losses, even on his own picks.  Mediocre players didn't last long under DG.  Under Hurney, they get giant extensions.