Greg Cosell doubts Cam can change after 6 seasons

[falconidae]

1 hour ago, OneBadCat said:

What they don't understand is that Cam playing more like Brady and Brees isn't the best Cam Newton on the field. 

Cam is 6'5. To piggy back off previous comments, yes is absolutely like Brett Favre. I think Cam has so much confidence in his own size, arm and running ability; that he believes he can sling the ball on 3rd and 14 for a first down every time. More often than not he does. I just think he sees the field as his bitch and that he can make the right play at any moment. 

A candyass like Brees has to have the set up plays and dink and dunks because he's not Cam Newton. 

If the offense can evolve a little more and now that we have some legit weapons with speed and shiftiness we should be just fine.

Not last year. cam was 25% completion on throws over 20 yards, per ESPN splits. There were certainly extenuating circumstances-I think he played with a unreported concussion the first part of the year from the Denver game, then tore up his shoulder later in the season. Still, not a good year for the man.

In 2015, counting the playoffs, cam ran 166 times. As good as cam is, that's just not sustainable over the long haul. It's amazing that he sustained that style of play for 5 years- no other QB has ever run that much that long and prospered.

Cam has to play more like Brees and Brady if he wants to play well into his 30s.  I think the only times he should run are when a play breaks down plus read action on 3rd and short and goal line plays.

If I was a panthers fan, I'd be worried that comments like "You expect a lion not to roar" mean that cam has decided he's going to keep playing the way he always has-with 100+ rush attempts a year, relying on his arm to overcome poor mechanics- and that he's not going to evolve into the pocket passer he needs to be to play a long time in this league.  This year will tell a lot about that.

[OneBadCat]

5 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Not last year. cam was 25% completion on throws over 20 yards, per ESPN splits. There were certainly extenuating circumstances-I think he played with a unreported concussion the first part of the year from the Denver game, then tore up his shoulder later in the season. Still, not a good year for the man.

In 2015, counting the playoffs, cam ran 166 times. As good as cam is, that's just not sustainable over the long haul. It's amazing that he sustained that style of play for 5 years- no other QB has ever run that much that long and prospered.

Cam has to play more like Brees and Brady if he wants to play well into his 30s.  I think the only times he should run are when a play breaks down plus read action on 3rd and short and goal line plays.

If I was a panthers fan, I'd be worried that comments like "You expect a lion not to roar" mean that cam has decided he's going to keep playing the way he always has-with 100+ rush attempts a year, relying on his arm to overcome poor mechanics- and that he's not going to evolve into the pocket passer he needs to be to play a long time in this league.  This year will tell a lot about that.

Which is why I think we have given the weapons this year to really take the pressure off. From Cam's perspective he probably thinks the smart play is to keep the ball in his hands. He'd rather run 5 yards for the first if he can't trust Ted Ginn or Philly Brown to catch a simple out or curl route.

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3 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Which is why I think we have given the weapons this year to really take the pressure off. From Cam's perspective he probably thinks the smart play is to keep the ball in his hands. He'd rather run 5 yards for the first if he can't trust Ted Ginn or Philly Brown to catch a simple out or curl route.

the Panthers receivers and running backs are almost exactly the same.

they just swapped out a straight line runner with bad hands for a rotational running back/slot receiver.

almost everything else is the same.

[GoobyPls]

14 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Not last year. cam was 25% completion on throws over 20 yards, per ESPN splits. There were certainly extenuating circumstances-I think he played with a unreported concussion the first part of the year from the Denver game, then tore up his shoulder later in the season. Still, not a good year for the man.

In 2015, counting the playoffs, cam ran 166 times. As good as cam is, that's just not sustainable over the long haul. It's amazing that he sustained that style of play for 5 years- no other QB has ever run that much that long and prospered.

Cam has to play more like Brees and Brady if he wants to play well into his 30s.  I think the only times he should run are when a play breaks down plus read action on 3rd and short and goal line plays.

If I was a panthers fan, I'd be worried that comments like "You expect a lion not to roar" mean that cam has decided he's going to keep playing the way he always has-with 100+ rush attempts a year, relying on his arm to overcome poor mechanics- and that he's not going to evolve into the pocket passer he needs to be to play a long time in this league.  This year will tell a lot about that.

Cam's arm will never let him play more like Brady or Brees. Favre played until his 40s playing with the deep ball. 

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2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I think Cam is more Favre than Brees or Brady, if we tweak some of that 2015 offense with better weapons he can have success again IMO.

I somehow think this is closer to reality than the overwhelming "change Cam" perception that we are having fits over.  Cam will still run and still be able to run but he might not have to run as much and he will likely have an more outlets 5 yards down field instead of 30.  You can overhaul the offense without having to reinvent Cam Newton.

Also, Cosell is usually has much more refined and polished answers than that.  There was little to no depth in the analysis as it takes more than 1-2 minutes to break things down.

[falconidae]

9 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Cam's arm will never let him play more like Brady or Brees. Favre played until his 40s playing with the deep ball. 

Plenty of strong armed QBs are pocket passers. And, you're missing the point.

Cam [599] had as many  rushing attempts in 5 years as Brett  [602] did for  his entire 19 year career.

Brett never rushed more than 58 times in a season. After his 6th year, Favre never rushed more than 40 times a year. His last 10 years with GB, discounting last 3 years with the jets and Minn, which would bring the number down, he averaged 26 rush attempts a year.

Cam loves to play the game his way- lots of rushing attempts, screw the short passing game, I'm going deep- and he's good enough to make that work for awhile. Nearly got you guys a ring in 2015 doing that. It's not sustainable long term, if he doesn't adapt his game, become more of a pocket passer, he won't be around much longer.[another 5 years as opposed to another 10 years]

That's exactly what the panthers have been talking about all off season. Having cam be more of a pocket passer.

[joemac]

Cam has always been a pocket passer who happens to be able to run - not the other way around. He rarely scrambles, instead waiting in the pocket as long as possible ( too long sometimes, IMO). Most of his runs have come on busted plays / escaped sacks that only Cam makes, and read option style runs. He is simply too good, and too much of a threat on the ground to completely eliminate it. Hopefully we scrap the read option completely and only use Cams unique skills on the ground when absolutely necessary. They have to keep at least the threat of Cam running alive, just to keep it on defenses minds.

[TheRed]

I've got nothing but 3-28's on top of 3-28's with some delicious chocolate soft serve for these Falcons fans that waited years to show up until they started winning again.

[TheWiz]

I don't need my record breaking dual threat MVP quarterback to change....

I need for our tackles to not have the foot mobility of a penguin parade. I need for Mike Shula to learn to make second half adjustments like a grown up. And I need for the refs to fulfill the obligation of their vocation and blow the whistle when the QB is taking late hits from the pocket!

kapeesh?

[mcdougal]

People really need to stop giving these morons attention. These are the same morons that told you that Blaine Gabbert was destined a very productive NFL career and the Panthers were likely set back 5 years because of Newton.

They won't stop being morons or will simply change their position temporarily when confronted with reality...until they can go right back to their utter BS.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Objectively looking at this, I agree with Cossel. His mechanics are always the same. That won't change. Cosell knows what he's talking about. I didn't really take much into consideration what cowherd said. 

 

What can change is his delivery and timing.  His thought process. That has changed throughout the years even with his back foot throws. That's where McCaffrey comes in to help as well. 

 

They didn't say he's not going to be MVP again. They talked about mechanics mostly. Even when cowherd tried to deviate from that cosell stuck to the topic. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

5 hours ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

I'm just saying, it's not like he can't, it's just not the type of offense Carolina runs. These taking heads should know that if they've watched ANY tape whatsoever instead of looking at stats alone. You know, the easier, lazier way of reporting lol!

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Greg Cosell literally looks at tape all the time... Do you even know who he is?  

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

Yeah, doesn't take away from what I stated. This isn't a dink and dunk offense.

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[Ivan The Awesome]

3 minutes ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

Yeah, doesn't take away from what I stated. This isn't a dink and dunk offense.

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It takes everything away.. Did you even watch the video?  You're calling the man of NFL films a moron because you're making an assumption of what he said. If it wasn't an assumption it wad a definite misconception of the topic.  Cam's mechanics. In 6 years his mechanics have not changed..