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unverified report: gettleman cut steve smith because in 2013 he punched cam newton in the face twice in the locker room after practice

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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imo it would have to be publicly confirmed by someone close to the team for any national writers to pick it up. at best it's an interesting piece of a week-old story on gettleman's firing and at worst inconsequential dirt on a retired player

Yeah, but its juicy considering the recent events, and modern journalists don't seem as keen on verifying things as they used to be before reporting it.  All of the corroboration present in the thread, with YGFH even citing Proehl, and I think it may be enough.

Good scoop, buddy!

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20 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yeah, i dont mean like some nefarious, shady cover-up...  I'm just referring to maintaining the optics they were already running - "Everything is good over here.  Happy and professional." 

And honestly,  I'm just saying they should've done it for the public.  Teams do it all the time, whether it is true or not, to maintain a good reputation, regarddless of the player's side of the story.  I honestly don't think it matters the reasoning, Smitty wasn't going to take it in stride and was going to be pissed off.  So, I'm just saying, I would've liked to see us send him out on a classy note, whether he wanted to accept it or not (which he wouldn't).  It just looks and feels better, imo.

Yeah, it is pretty much SOP to release a short statement thanking people for their contributions and wishing them the best of luck.  

Heck, if that is all JR was concerned about he could have had his personal secretary gin up a statement like the one he just issued with Gettleman's termination last week.  

Instead, it could have been written three years ago, leaving the name on the form letter blank.  Attached would have been a sticky saying "DG from now on use this form letter when terminating players or I'll fill in the blank area with your name, signed JR".

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7 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

You guys are some gullible mother fugers.

Go back and check out tweets from that time from players, nothing stirring, nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing from reporters, nothing happening in games to show discontent.

okay you can't combat allegations that there was a cover-up by pointing at the lack of public discourse 

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16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You know as well as I do that there was no way that was ever going to happen.

The only way Smith was ever leaving peacefully was if he did it on his own terms.

Yeah, as I said, i knew he wouldn't accept someone else's terms...  I just meant, at least hold a presser thanking him for his service and contributions.  That was my biggest issue.  I would've cared a lot less about what Smitty said after the fact had we done it that way.

Again, not saying it was realistic, but a sort of one-sided-send-off would've been my preference.  As a young guy, a few years younger, that viewed him as a champion of underdogs (such as myself), it just would've made it easier to digest and close the chapter on it.  And Idk if it's even that so much as the idea that DG held the line on cutting him bc the production was no longer worth the pay.

Regardless, it's all semantics now.  Having Phil share it and then it be corroborated multiple times, it's more a matter of just accepting that Smitty couldn't turn off the asshole long enough to achieve greatness with Cam...  Or that he would forego his own legacy and survival here in what he knew would be a losing battle.  Again, I know Smitty was volatile and was not a role model by any means...  but he had matured SOME by that point...  It just appears he hadn't matured enough and he forced the organization's hand.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've seen plenty of comments in this thread about how this story casts Jerry Richardson in a bad light.

How does it affect your perception of Ron Rivera?

ron runs by military codes. he'll steadfastly do the job he's told to do with the tools he's given. it's a strength if your job is killing people with a unit. not as great if you've got to coach a football team full of people who don't have military backgrounds.

or if the general is an 81 year old idiot

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Even if it was just a scuffle with minor punches thrown or poo no punches thrown. It shows a repeated behavior from smitty that he would not allow Cam to take over the team. DG obviously did the right thing and all the dumbass smitty fanboy posters should suck a fug.

 

our organization is a joke. 

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And despite Smitty and Cam seeming to have made peace with whatever their situation was once they played against each other afterwards, this should pretty much put to rest any speculation that there could ever be a farewell tour - even with Hurney back at the reigns.

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2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yeah, as I said, i knew he wouldn't accept someone else's terms...  I just meant, at least hold a presser thanking him for his service and contributions.  That was my biggest issue.  I would've cared a lot less about what Smitty said after the fact had we done it that way.

Again, not saying it was realistic, but a sort of one-sided-send-off would've been my preference.  As a guy viewed him as a champion of underdogs (such as myself), it just would've made it easier to digest and close the chapter on it.  And Idk if it's even that so much as the idea that DG held the line on cutting him bc the production was no longer worth the pay.

Regardless, it's all semantics now.  Having Phil share it and then it be corroborated multiple times, it's more a matter of just accepting that Smitty couldn't turn off the asshole long enough to achieve greatness with Cam...  Or that he would forego his own legacy and survival here in what he knew would be a losing battle.  Again, j know Smitty was volatile and was not a role model by any means...  but he had matured SOME by that point...  It just appears he hadn't matured enough and he forced the organization's hand.

It's kind of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" proposition in this case.

Let's say you hold a press conference and speak glowingly of all his achievements and how much you love him and thank him for everything.

How do you think an already pissed off Steve Smith reacts to that?

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