Cam campaigned for McCaffrey over Fournette per team source relayed by Jonathan Jones

[top dawg]

15 minutes ago, mrknowitall said:

 

I see your point, but I don't look at it that way. I'm sure Cam talks to KB and all his other receivers about what he sees, and what they could've done better. Any alpha mentality does that while playing sports. But in a meeting room, he takes the burden of winning on himself first and foremost. Maybe he should say, "Well, KB can't get separation. Or the routes take too long to develop." But why should he HAVE to say that. Why would HE need to tell Ron something like that. Something that Ron should be able to see plainly on his own. If we didn't make changes in our game plan and plays we ran last year, because Cam stolidly said, "Yeah. I'll find a way to continue to make these difficult passes, on long developing routes, by receivers who get little separation, when the O-Line often gives me no more than two seconds before their pocket unravels"... then we have a HUGE issue with our coaches and coordinators. Because he shouldn't have to do that, IMO. Besides, he makes $20 million a year. Isn't that what you won't a player who consumes that much cap space, to say; that he'll figure it out.

 

Interesting, and perhaps the proper perspective. 

I think that there are different levels to this that we will never see because people within the organization will never publicly discuss it, and there is only so much of what's actually happening that can be gleened from an article (regardless how good IR informative the article is). We're only going to know so much about the inner workings of the Panthers, so people correctly and incorrectly draw conclusions, make connections and assumptions that may or may not be true. 

Do y'all get what I'm saying?

Just because Cam doesn't throw anyone under the bus doesn't mean that he is shirking his duties or not fulfilling his job to the team. Truthfully, it doesn't mean that he is making the coaches' jobs any easier, but it doesn't mean that he's not. Like @mrknowitall says, that's not necessarily his job. It is ultimately the manager's job to evaluate weaknesses of the team as a whole, each unit and individual, and mesh it all together while considering differences in personalities in order to balance it all out and get the best productivity.

 

[NJPanthers12]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Disagree. She's very good at her job as a writer and finding stuff people actually want to hear.

Disagree. She refuses to hold anyone accountable and contributes a decent amount of fluff pieces.

[Darvinsun]

I thought Cam was giving inputon plays but as far saying well he ran the wrong route, blocked the wrong man he just tries not to put total blame on his teammates...Really its not his job thats Shula and Rivera job thats what they are getting paid to do..too much on Cams plate..hint hint

[Hogmolliesmaht]

3 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

I thought Cam was giving inputon plays but as far saying well he ran the wrong route, blocked the wrong man he just tries not to put total blame on his teammates...Really its not his job thats Shula and Rivera job thats what they are getting paid to do..too much on Cams plate..hint hint

It's every QB's job to tell the coaching staff what they see and what they think will work against certain defenses. That's why they get paid the big bucks and get all the glory when their team wins.

[Darvinsun]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

It's every QB's job to tell the coaching staff what they see and what they think will work against certain defenses. That's why they get paid the big bucks and get all the glory when their team wins.

I said as far as plays and incite on that but not on players..thats coaching evaluations what the hell are they looking at during practice and games. He should not have to tell them they should see it.

[therealmjl]

Yeah it's not really up to the quarterback to single out a player who sucks at his job such as Mike Remmers and point out the obvious....that's on the front office and the coaching staff.

[panthers55]

Most players like Shula and the offensive scheme. I guess because they actually know what is really happening. Most folks complaining are on the huddle or are casual fans and see the offense but have no clue what is really going on.

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[panthers55]

1 hour ago, heel31ok said:

so is his not lobbying to can Shula a comment on his ability...?

No it means he knows what is going on and it isn't Shula fault any more than it is his. He knows both he and Shula haven't always been given enough weapons and they both have to do the best with what they are given. But he doesn't point fingers and takes it on himself and doesn't throw people under the bus. Which is why everyone in the know thinks he is a good leader.

[top dawg]

12 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Most players like Shula and the offensive scheme. I guess because they actually know what is really happening. Most folks complaining are on the huddle or are casual fans and see the offense but have no clue what is really going on.

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I must have missed the part where Jones said, "Most players like Shula and the offensive scheme." If Cam wanted change, Gettleman and Rivera saw the need for change, and Shula got on his soapbox for new toys (rightly), then I'm sure that the players didn't necessary "like" the offensive scheme. People involved did know what was happening, just like some of us fans, and that's why things are purportedly changing. 

Moreover, the casual-fan-doesn't-know-what-they're-looking-at argument is getting as tiring as the what-do-you-expect-pro-bowlers-at-every-position argument.

Most fans can differentiate between Rihanna and a pig with lipstick. 

Let's not go overboard. Everyone probably does like Shula, but they didn't necessarily like what was (or was not) going on schematically and/or the way he was (mis)using personnel. Shula's seat isn't glowing red because it's all peaches-n-creme.

[heel31ok]

33 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

No it means he knows what is going on and it isn't Shula fault any more than it is his. He knows both he and Shula haven't always been given enough weapons and they both have to do the best with what they are given. But he doesn't point fingers and takes it on himself and doesn't throw people under the bus. Which is why everyone in the know thinks he is a good leader.

So yes

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

I said as far as plays and incite on that but not on players..thats coaching evaluations what the hell are they looking at during practice and games. He should not have to tell them they should see it.

OK but where did anybody  suggest that Cam should be calling out players?

[panthers55]

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I must have missed the part where Jones said, "Most players like Shula and the offensive scheme." If Cam wanted change, Gettleman and Rivera saw the need for change, and Shula got on his soapbox for new toys (rightly), then I'm sure that the players didn't necessary "like" the offensive scheme. People involved did know what was happening, just like some of us fans, and that's why things are purportedly changing. 

Moreover, the casual-fan-doesn't-know-what-they're-looking-at argument is getting as tiring as the what-do-you-expect-pro-bowlers-at-every-position argument.

Most fans can differentiate between Rihanna and a pig with lipstick. 

Let's not go overboard. Everyone probably does like Shula, but they didn't necessarily like what was (or was not) going on schematically and/or the way he was (mis)using personnel. Shula's seat isn't glowing red because it's all peaches-n-creme.

Actually Jones didn't say it but I have not heard where anyone either present or even after they leave blame Shula. Have you? Did DeAngelo or Steve Smith and they surely are outspoken?

With a new GM likely, I don't think anyone should be too comfortable. This really is a make it or break it season for everyone.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

I thought Cam was giving inputon plays but as far saying well he ran the wrong route, blocked the wrong man he just tries not to put total blame on his teammates...Really its not his job thats Shula and Rivera job thats what they are getting paid to do..too much on Cams plate..hint hint

There are some things only Cam will know. For example if Cam makes eye contact with KB on the line when the cornerback creeps up to the line and they know to change the play from a slant to a slant and go up the field move but KB just does the slant and not the upmove it looks like Cam held the ball and didn't throw it correctly. If Cam doesn't tell it and the coaches don't work with KB to recognize what he should have done, the problem continues and they don't work together. Things like this happen all the time and is an area where Cam has to tell it.

[KB_fan]

What a fantastic article from JJ.  So glad he's still here in Charlotte and thus still covering the Panthers quite closely.

Was anyone else's favorite part of the article the bit about Cam visiting some guy in prison on behalf of a friend during the Superbowl week.  Just love that he did that.  And I was definitely among those whispering that perhaps he did too much last offseason and was so relieved he scaled back this past offseason.  Even better, he seemed to have realized what was needed before his coaches got on his case about it.