Cam campaigned for McCaffrey over Fournette per team source relayed by Jonathan Jones

[Malt Liquor]

McCaffrey is our dude.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Lumps said:

Doubt there'll be much media surrounding that, like seriously get over it.

Also comparing him to the GOAT with multiple rings and the GOAT stat wise is really embarrassing us as a fanbase, please stop.

Please do try to become smarter one day and GTF over yourself.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

It would be an absolute sh*t show if Cam did anything that resembled what Brady and Manning do to some of their teammates. 

You can argue they've "earned" the right but even if Cam had a ring it still wouldn't change how the media would interpret it.

Without a doubt.

And even though what you said was 100% true, be prepared for a Lump of poo coming your way for daring to compare a QB with other QBs.

[heel31ok]

19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

When your quarterback who understands the offense better than anyone lobbies for McCaffrey over Fournette it is a pretty clear message that he is a better fit in our offense as I have said from the beginning. This should put the debate to rest....

so is his not lobbying to can Shula a comment on his ability...?

[Hogmolliesmaht]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

When he finally does "undermine someone", can you imagine the nationwide shock and the media witch-trial that will follow though?

Yes, I agree with you 100%.  But we also can't pretend that Cam is allowed to work under the same "leadership" rules as, say, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in today's  "what poo can we throw at the wall to get as many clicks as possible" NFL (and I include them specifically because of the NFL Network) and NFL media.

Seriously? All their asking is that he tells the coaching staff what he sees on the field and which plays he believes in the most. Who, in their right mind, is going to criticize him for that?

[tiger7_88]

7 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Seriously? All their asking is that he tells the coaching staff what he sees on the field and which plays he believes in the most. Who, in their right mind, is going to criticize him for that?

Yes, seriously.

If you can't see the EASY possibility of "Cam Newton throws teammate under the bus" articles being written from coast to coast and talked about on every brainless sports talk show on the major sports networks as well as sports radio, you must not have been paying attention to that time when he decided that he didn't want to talk to the media and immediately became The Worst Person Who Ever Existed.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, tiger7_88 said:

Yes, seriously.

If you can't see the EASY possibility of "Cam Newton throws teammate under the bus" articles being written from coast to coast and talked about on every brainless sports talk show on the major sports networks as well as sports radio, you must not have been paying attention to that time when he decided for that one time that he didn't want to talk to the media and immediately became The Worst Person Who Ever Existed.

How could what I described possibly be construed as throwing a teammate under the bus? Nobody said he had to stand at the podium and claim that Shula sucks. I'm simply talking about giving his input during games and in the meeting rooms. Every QB in the league is supposed to be doing that and Cam is no exception. TBH, I'm shocked he hasn't been doing this all along. Like I said, this is his offense and he has every right and even a duty to the team and to us fans to have some input on what they're running, if he sees something different than the coaches.

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

How could what I described possibly be construed as throwing a teammate under the bus?

Well, here's the thing... my comment from the very beginning had nothing to do with what YOU were/are describing.  It was referring to what the OP article was describing.

And the OP article LITERALLY describes how he refuses to "throw teammates under the bus" or "assign blame to anyone but himself" and how the coaches have to "drag it out of him".

So, yeah, its the article itself that is describing it in those terms and it is THAT to which I was/am responding.  Understand now?

[mrknowitall]

“I’ve had to drag it out of him in terms of, ‘What do you see? What can we fix?,” Rivera says. “It always starts with him. He doesn’t want to sit there and say, ‘I don’t like this play’ or ‘I don’t like that guy at that position.’ In his mind, he’s going to fix it and make it work.”  

 If this is true, then Cam is just as much at fault for bad play calls as Shula. This is his offense too and they need his input, regardless of whether it hurts anybody's feelings for not.

 

 

I see your point, but I don't look at it that way. I'm sure Cam talks to KB and all his other receivers about what he sees, and what they could've done better. Any alpha mentality does that while playing sports. But in a meeting room, he takes the burden of winning on himself first and foremost. Maybe he should say, "Well, KB can't get separation. Or the routes take too long to develop." But why should he HAVE to say that. Why would HE need to tell Ron something like that. Something that Ron should be able to see plainly on his own. If we didn't make changes in our game plan and plays we ran last year, because Cam stolidly said, "Yeah. I'll find a way to continue to make these difficult passes, on long developing routes, by receivers who get little separation, when the O-Line often gives me no more than two seconds before their pocket unravels"... then we have a HUGE issue with our coaches and coordinators. Because he shouldn't have to do that, IMO. Besides, he makes $20 million a year. Isn't that what you won't a player who consumes that much cap space, to say; that he'll figure it out.

 

[csx]

8 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

How could what I described possibly be construed as throwing a teammate under the bus? Nobody said he had to stand at the podium and claim that Shula sucks. I'm simply talking about giving his input during games and in the meeting rooms. Every QB in the league is supposed to be doing that and Cam is no exception. TBH, I'm shocked he hasn't been doing this all along. Like I said, this is his offense and he has every right and even a duty to the team and to us fans to have some input on what they're running, if he sees something different than the coaches.

The dude has every imaginable angle to cry for Cam Newton figured out. It's impressive.

[CatfanMO]

...and we tried trading up to take Fournette...

[Hogmolliesmaht]

17 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Well, here's the thing... my comment from the very beginning had nothing to do with what YOU were/are describing.  It was referring to what the OP article was describing.

And the OP article LITERALLY describes how he refuses to "throw teammates under the bus" or "assign blame to anyone but himself" and how the coaches have to "drag it out of him".

So, yeah, its the article itself that is describing it in those terms and it is THAT to which I was/am responding.  Understand now?

This is the quote you responded to...Yeah he's going into year 7. He needs to be more vocal about what he sees and what works best for him even if it undermines someone. Just part of being the leader of the offense. He'll get there.

 

There is nothing controversial whatsoever about that statement and there is nothing controversial about what RR said in the article about him needing to tell them what he sees and thinks. In fact, this is NFL QB'ing 101 stuff, IMO. I'm betting that Shula wants Cam's input more than anybody and would be the last one to ever complain about such a thing.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

9 minutes ago, CatfanMO said:

...and we tried trading up to take Fournette...

We have no idea if that's even true or not. Even if it is though, we obviously weren't about to give them what they wanted for that pick, so it's not a big deal.

[exactlyzack]

I don't know if I speak for anyone else. But I am really impressed with the way Cam has treated this offseason. He's leaner.. he's becoming more of a leader. People can hate on him for whatever reasons they have, but you can't say he doesn't have the guts and passion for the game. And if he went out himself to campaign for CMac, then that shows his maturity level even more. Great article.