Death of a Gettleman: JR is at best Carolina's Tragic Hero

[TheRed]

37 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Who are the Hurney Supporters? 

That's what I'm saying, lol. Unless the implication is that anyone not flipping the f*ck out and writing almost loveletteresque walls of text about Gettleman getting fired is a Hurney supporter. Which is laughable, but I've seen a good bit of that here from posters who are normally fairly rational.

I don't want Hurney on a permanent basis, but if he is hired back on that way there isn't much I can do regardless. I don't think it would be a great scenario per se, but I don't think it's necessarily the end of a franchise doomsday scenario some are highly dramatically suggesting.

[AggieLean]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

That's what I'm saying, lol. Unless the implication is that anyone not flipping the f*ck out and writing almost loveletteresque walls of text about Gettleman getting fired is a Hurney supporter. Which is laughable, but I've seen a good bit of that here from posters who are normally fairly rational.

I don't want Hurney on a permanent basis, but if he is hired back on that way there isn't much I can do regardless. I don't think it would be a great scenario per se, but I don't think it's necessarily the end of a franchise doomsday scenario some are highly dramatically suggesting.

Right. I might have seen maybe one or two individuals on here who are in support of Hurney, so if those are the ones he's talking about, then I guess he has a point. The majority, though, have stated they don't want Hurney long term, and to save the freaking out for when or if Hurney is named permanent.

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Right. I might have seen maybe one or two individuals on here who are in support of Hurney, so if those are the ones he's talking about, then I guess he has a point. The majority, though, have stated they don't want Hurney long term, and to save the freaking out for when or if Hurney is named permanent.

Pretty much. The few people outwardly supporting Hurney directly seem to be trolling more than anything, which is nothing new on the huddle.

Anyways. At the end of the day I think it doesn't matter too much who the GM is. The ultimate concern is JR, it's beginning more and more to look like either way whoever it is won't matter because Jerry is the one pulling the strings.

Right now I'm focused on retaining our talent and making the most of these next few years with our core. Hopefully we can make a SB run despite Richardson's meddling.

For all the talk about the GM change, which is obviously warranted, I honestly think the bigger impact season wise will be which Ron Rivera we get in 2017. Is Riverboat Ron going to finally return once and for all, or are we going to get Calculated Risk Taker Ron? Because if we aren't getting Riverboat, and it's more of the same sitting on leads, or atrocious clock management playing not to lose, it won't matter who the GM is.

[frash.exe]

36 minutes ago, TheRed said:

That's what I'm saying, lol. Unless the implication is that anyone not flipping the f*ck out and writing almost loveletteresque walls of text about Gettleman getting fired is a Hurney supporter. Which is laughable, but I've seen a good bit of that here from posters who are normally fairly rational.

I don't want Hurney on a permanent basis, but if he is hired back on that way there isn't much I can do regardless. I don't think it would be a great scenario per se, but I don't think it's necessarily the end of a franchise doomsday scenario some are highly dramatically suggesting.

this sounds very pstall-esque

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

this sounds very pstall-esque

Yeah yeah yeah. Take the afternoon to think about it, and get back to me.

My post after that delved more into the team dynamic as it pertains to the upcoming season, and what concerns could hamper a possible SB run. I still think Ron is the key kog right now. We know what we're getting out of our playmakers for the most part, we have plenty of talent.

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2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Yeah yeah yeah. Take the afternoon to think about it, and get back to me.

My post after that delved more into the team dynamic as it pertains to the upcoming season, and what concerns could hamper a possible SB run. I still think Ron is the key kog right now. We know what we're getting out of our playmakers for the most part, we have plenty of talent.

get back to me in 2018 when hurney sticks full time and decides to move worley to FS

[TheRed]

Just now, frash.exe said:

get back to me in 2018 when hurney sticks full time and decides to move worley to FS

As much as you have railed against posters for being irrational about Steve Smith's departure, you are beginning to sound that way yourself.

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41 minutes ago, TheRed said:

As much as you have railed against posters for being irrational about Steve Smith's departure, you are beginning to sound that way yourself.

serious question did you read the OP? bc it honestly sounds like you didn't, and if not, your input itt is meaningless.

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

serious question did you read the OP? bc it honestly sounds like you didn't, and if not, your input itt is meaningless.

Why would it matter all that much regardless in the basic context of this  neverending discussion?

The ultimate premise is about the future of our franchise moving forward. Opinions about roster changes, signings, or staff changes along the way are going to vary from fan to fan either way. As we see clearly here and throughout the endless threads about Gettleman in the last week.

I mean, I could be a total dick. But since you're a long time poster whose opinion is generally always on point, I will just say you should step back a bit and ponder why you are now mirroring the anti-Gettleman trolls that shouted down anyone that attempted to bring actual coherent thought and logic into the fold during his time here.

[frash.exe]

8 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Why would it matter all that much regardless in the basic context of this  neverending discussion?

The ultimate premise is about the future of our franchise moving forward. Opinions about roster changes, signings, or staff changes along the way are going to vary from fan to fan either way. As we see clearly here and throughout the endless threads about Gettleman in the last week.

I mean, I could be a total dick. But since you're a long time poster whose opinion is generally always on point, I will just say you should step back a bit and ponder why you are now mirroring the anti-Gettleman trolls that shouted down anyone that attempted to bring actual coherent thought and logic into the fold during his time here.

how am i mirroring them? you're bordering on freudian levels of reductionism here. if you think the OP is just the same as all the repetitive whining about cutting steve smith in 2014, in spite of all the articulation i put in there, you're being pretty biased, especially given the size of the scope of consequences for firing a GM compared to cutting one wide receiver.

[TheRed]

Just now, frash.exe said:

how am i mirroring them? you're bordering on freudian levels of reductionism here. if you think the OP is just the same as all the repetitive whining about cutting steve smith in 2014, in spite of all the articulation i put in there, you're being pretty biased, especially given the size of the scope of consequences for firing a GM compared to cutting one wide receiver.

We both know, whether you like it or not, 89 wasn't just "one wide receiver". The absolute one indisputable thing that he was not during his time here, good or bad, was "ordinary".

If what I've been articulating here is reductionism, what is the above in your commentary about Smith?

I don't think you're whining, but you are absolutely not without your own bias, especially when it leads you to rage against our own players over the dismissal of one man. That to me sounds a hell of a lot like the Steve Smith homers after he was released. I'm sorry, but it's the truth.

[frash.exe]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

We both know, whether you like it or not, 89 wasn't just "one wide receiver". The absolute one indisputable thing that he was not during his time here, good or bad, was "ordinary".

If what I've been articulating here is reductionism, what is the above in your commentary about Smith?

I don't think you're whining, but you are absolutely not without your own bias, especially when it leads you to rage against our own players over the dismissal of one man. That to me sounds a hell of a lot like the Steve Smith homers after he was released. I'm sorry, but it's the truth.

you're really reading into that description. but whether you like it or not, any one wide receiver, no matter how productive they may be, doesn't decide the direction of a team quite like a general manager does. idk how you can disagree with this unless you're just being obtuse.

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

you're really reading into that description. but whether you like it or not, any one wide receiver, no matter how productive they may be, doesn't decide the direction of a team quite like a general manager does. idk how you can disagree with this unless you're just being obtuse.

Well of course a WR doesn't decide the direction of a team. I'm not comparing them directly, I figured that would be fairly obvious. I'm comparing the level of reaction each move brought about. Either way both moves have sparked tense heavily polarizing debate. That's not even arguable.

Anyway, like I said, I didn't like the firing of Gettleman, but I'm looking at all factors moving forward, especially our owner. I think this is also a critical year for Rivera, and it should probably be talked about more.

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7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Well of course a WR doesn't decide the direction of a team. I'm not comparing them directly, I figured that would be fairly obvious. I'm comparing the level of reaction each move brought about. Either way both moves have sparked tense heavily polarizing debate. That's not even arguable.

Anyway, like I said, I didn't like the firing of Gettleman, but I'm looking at all factors moving forward, especially our owner. I think this is also a critical year for Rivera, and it should probably be talked about more.

my stance on ron is that this is a critical year as well. i think he should be following his own quote on performance and figuring out some better schemes to highlight our personnel strengths as well as masking our personnel deficiencies.