Ron says Marty made some "blunt" comments about the roster

[top dawg]

@thefuzz, plus, everything that Hurney, Rivera, and even some Huddlers who apparently listened to his show says that Hurney has been paying close attention to the roster. I don't understand the "salary cap" part of your response, unless it's just being adversarial.

[Cyberjag]

12 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

You asked a question and I answered it. 

You meant that as a serious answer?  Ok then, here's your serious response.  We've seen what Hurney did here in 11 years as the GM, but everyone is only focused on the last four.  Those four years all had a JR with a newly transplanted heart firing his kids, representing the Owners in the labor discussions, refusing to fire his coach and making him work out his contract so he didn't have to double-pay, and reportedly micromanaging his staff, including Hurney.  

Hurney is not here to be the GM of the future, he never pursued another position (and he would have at least gotten interviews if he had).  He runs a radio station and has been happy to just keep in touch with the organization.  He's never said anything bad about the Panthers and has always had nothing but praise for the guy who replaced him.  Regardless of his performance later in his tenure, he's never been anything but a stand-up guy.  He says he's interim right now, and I'll take that on it's face.  In the fall if they are not evaluating GM candidates, then I will start to worry.  

But until then, the movie will only end the same way if JR continues to micromanage, regardless of the GM.  

Regardless of all that, My question that I asked (and which you didn't really answer) is, "When is it a bad thing to give a coach a reason to reflect on his players from a different perspective?"

[thefuzz]

Just now, top dawg said:

@thefuzz, plus, everything that Hurney, Rivera, and even some Huddlers who apparently listened to his show says that Hurney has been paying close attention to the roster. I don't understand the "salary cap" part of your response, unless it's just being adversarial.

I have not listened to his interviews...he rarely gives good info.....but, I read that he said that we are already over the cap next year, when we absolutely are not....another flag for me.

[Captain Morgan]

No one has mentioned that maybe Hurney floated the idea of moving KK to DE, and starting our

1st round pick Butler at DT.  If we can't get Shaq on the field, at least Vernon could more time.

[therealmjl]

Just now, thefuzz said:

I have not listened to his interviews...he rarely gives good info.....but, I read that he said that we are already over the cap next year, when we absolutely are not....another flag for me.

I think he's just used to saying that and said it out of habit.

[LinvilleGorge]

The only obvious potential position changes I can think of are possibly Shaq or Cash to safety, Funch to TE, and Williams to guard unless they're talking about players further down the roster which is possible. 

Two huge wild cards I guess could be potentially CMC to straight up WR or KB to TE.

[csx]

He can make comments but the coaches make these decisions.

[Adb6368]

"These players.... Butler, Thompson, McCaffrey... they seem to be paid a lot for being on a rookie de... HOLY HELL!!! Back in my day I would have traded these picks for a college QB changing positions or an underwhelming Florida st DE. To draft these players in the first round is absurd! Only 1 RB in 3 years? How do you field an average team like that?"

Or something like that.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I'm not discounting anything....it just doesn't make sense to do it.  

A GM....the first day on the job.....questioning if we should start switching some of the players positions just scares me.

 

I don't necessarily completely disagree, but at the same time, Funchess at WR has so far been pretty much a bust. If he's potentially on the chopping block, I'd rather give him a look at TE before cutting loose a former 2nd round pick who we traded up to acquire without pursuing all potential options on the roster for him.

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

No one has mentioned that maybe Hurney floated the idea of moving KK to DE, and starting our

1st round pick Butler at DT.  If we can't get Shaq on the field, at least Vernon could more time.

It would be extremely concerning if our coaching staff hasn't already floated this idea around, but you really never know.

[Ace_Aladdin]

38 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

yes, lafell had more production in 3 years than funchess has had in two. you're correct.

neither however is good

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LaFeBr00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FuncDe00.htm

One is better because we didn't waste extra picks to get him. 

 

Lafell is a good #2 while Funchess is good #5 huge difference 

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't necessarily completely disagree, but at the same time, Funchess at WR has so far been pretty much a bust. If he's potentially on the chopping block, I'd rather give him a look at TE before cutting loose a former 2nd round pick who we traded up to acquire without pursuing all potential options on the roster for him.

Why would we cut him, unless he gets beat out.  He is a cheap player for two more seasons.

The kid has talent, now...so far we have not been able to get that out of him, but it's there.  We messed with TD for a couple years out of necessity, we have Olsen, Funch transitioning to a TE, when a better one is on the roster, and a few better ones will be available after cuts just doesn't sit well with me.

Sounds like something that a Madden player would ask, not a longtime NFL GM.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Why would we cut him, unless he gets beat out.  He is a cheap player for two more seasons.

The kid has talent, now...so far we have not been able to get that out of him, but it's there.  We messed with TD for a couple years out of necessity, we have Olsen, Funch transitioning to a TE, when a better one is on the roster, and a few better ones will be available after cuts just doesn't sit well with me.

Sounds like something that a Madden player would ask, not a longtime NFL GM.

My point is that so far that talent hasn't shown through at WR, so what's the harm? Given the additions at WR, I don't think it's out of the question that Funchess does get beat out. He's been doing less with the opportunities that he's been given than literally just about any other WR in the NFL.

I have no idea if this has even been discussed, but given what we've seen from Funchess at WR and Dickson at #2 TE so far, I wouldn't be opposed to it. But, I'd only want to do it if we consider Funchess to potentially be on the chopping block at WR. 

Either way, mere days prior to the start of camp isn't exactly the ideal time to be playing around with position changes. You would've liked to have seen any of those changes made a while ago so that the guy could be actively preparing for that role.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My point is that so far that talent hasn't shown through at WR, so what's the harm? Given the additions at WR, I don't think it's out of the question that Funchess does get beat out. He's been doing less with the opportunities that he's been given than literally just about any other WR in the NFL.

I have no idea if this has even been discussed, but given what we've seen from Funchess at WR and Dickson at #2 TE so far, I wouldn't be opposed to it. But, I'd only want to do it if we consider Funchess to potentially be on the chopping block at WR. 

Either way, mere days prior to the start of camp isn't exactly the ideal time to be playing around with position changes. You would've liked to have seen any of those changes made a while ago so that the guy could be actively preparing for that role.

The last paragraph is why it's got me irked....it's just not something that you would hear coming out of a GM's mouth less than a week before TC....another reason this timing was so god awful bad.