Was DG that great?

[Basbear]

Heres the deal- Current intelligent football minds have agreed the most important person on the whole team is the talent evaluator. Jerry Richardson decides to fire best one and rehire a guy whose' talent evaluation skill come writing sports articles and taking sports calls at his radio station........ Why god?!?!? WHY?!? Im STILL digesting this disgusting move and it put me questioning many panther related emotions. 

[Car123]

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Heres the deal- Current intelligent football minds have agreed the most important person on the whole team is the talent elevator. Jerry Richardson decides to fire best one and rehire a guy whose' talent evaluation skill come writing sports articles and taking sports calls at his radio station........ Why god?!?!? WHY?!? Im STILL digesting this disgusting move and it put me questioning many panther related emotions. 

Gettleman is the best talent elevator, but cannot draft to save his life,,,

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Gettleman is the best talent elevator, but cannot draft to save his life,,,

He found 2 starters, 1 top backup, and 2 good depth in all drafts. That even happened in the 2013 draft, the one where hernia traded picks before and left him with only five picks. Getting 5 players from each draft is far above average(3 is about the average), check the pats or ravens to compare to what many consider good teams.  

[heel31ok]

25 minutes ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Naw. 

Josh was looking to get PAID. 

Remember he is not young and was on cheap contracts since being drafted. 

He could get top dollar and that is what he went and got. 

Yes,after Gman screwed up...he wanted to stay and would have stayed...he would have taken less ...

[SmartyHurney]

19 minutes ago, Basbear said:

He found 2 starters, 1 top backup, and 2 good depth in all drafts. That even happened in the 2013 draft, the one where hernia traded picks before and left him with only five picks. Getting 5 players from each draft is far above average(3 is about the average), check the pats or ravens to compare to what many consider good teams.  

What the hell are you talking about? The Panthers under Dave Gettleman had the fewest draft picks in the league.

And the Patriots are notorious for trading back and acquiring many picks in free agency.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Cannot understand the logic of not ft Norman, if the plan was to roll the money over, then we should have pursed a vet cb in fa instead of tapping dancing around, if that wasn't the case and a long term deal was looking to be done, Norman was at least going to make 8-12 mil a year easily, so the cap excuse is played out and not logical. The truth our gm let it get out of hand and had 0 backup plan, which is inexcusable

 

 

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[uncfan888]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Cannot understand the logic of not ft Norman, if the plan was to roll the money over, then we should have pursed a vet cb in fa instead of tapping dancing around, if that wasn't the case and a long term deal was looking to be done, Norman was at least going to make 8-12 mil a year easily, so the cap excuse is played out and not logical. The truth our gm let it get out of hand and had 0 backup plan, which is inexcusable

 

 

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And now we have someone to give all our money away until there's nothing left to give and we're in over our heads. Do you hurney lovers not realize that the salary cap exists and it's impossible to keep everyone?

Jerry runs off a damn good GM and the trolls take over the huddle and turn it to poo right before the season

[Cpt slay a ho]

58 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

And now we have someone to give all our money away until there's nothing left to give and we're in over our heads. Do you hurney lovers not realize that the salary cap exists and it's impossible to keep everyone?

Jerry runs off a damn good GM and the trolls take over the huddle and turn it to poo right before the season

first off he didn't run him off, he wore out his welcome with his tactics, secondly i do support hurney only because doing the opposite is wanting him to fail, which is retarded. and did you not read what i stated?? if he didn't want norman then we should have been active early in fa's to grab a vet cb, if not the ft buys him another season to find a replacement going forward or longer term situation. He also did the same when gross retire and he released smith, no effective plan to try and replace the production those players brought, and took big gambles in the draft hoping kb and bradberry would play from the start at higher expectations. 

just because i point out a clear mistake on his end does not mean i endorse hurney's methods before he was fired or in any case a hurney lover, quit being lazy and process things clearly before you blurt out labels, never have i stated i wanted hurney back prior to dg being fired, or in any case wanted dg fired at all.

 

 

[WOW!!]

first off he didn't run him off, he wore out his welcome with his tactics, secondly i do support hurney only because doing the opposite is wanting him to fail, which is retarded. and did you not read what i stated?? if he didn't want norman then we should have been active early in fa's to grab a vet cb, if not the ft buys him another season to find a replacement going forward or longer term situation. He also did the same when gross retire and he released smith, no effective plan to try and replace the production those players brought, and took big gambles in the draft hoping kb and bradberry would play from the start at higher expectations. 
just because i point out a clear mistake on his end does not mean i endorse hurney's methods before he was fired or in any case a hurney lover, quit being lazy and process things clearly before you blurt out labels, never have i stated i wanted hurney back prior to dg being fired, or in any case wanted dg fired at all.
 
 

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[heel31ok]

11 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Cannot understand the logic of not ft Norman, if the plan was to roll the money over, then we should have pursed a vet cb in fa instead of tapping dancing around, if that wasn't the case and a long term deal was looking to be done, Norman was at least going to make 8-12 mil a year easily, so the cap excuse is played out and not logical. The truth our gm let it get out of hand and had 0 backup plan, which is inexcusable

 

 

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he was teaching Norman a lesson...it was like smitty  all over again and i think that's what doomed him...as long as we won he was safe...

[grimesgoat]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

first off he didn't run him off, he wore out his welcome with his tactics, secondly i do support hurney only because doing the opposite is wanting him to fail, which is retarded. and did you not read what i stated?? if he didn't want norman then we should have been active early in fa's to grab a vet cb, if not the ft buys him another season to find a replacement going forward or longer term situation. He also did the same when gross retire and he released smith, no effective plan to try and replace the production those players brought, and took big gambles in the draft hoping kb and bradberry would play from the start at higher expectations. 

just because i point out a clear mistake on his end does not mean i endorse hurney's methods before he was fired or in any case a hurney lover, quit being lazy and process things clearly before you blurt out labels, never have i stated i wanted hurney back prior to dg being fired, or in any case wanted dg fired at all.

 

 

Gettleman signed Brandon Boykin prior to releasing Norman.  He already had Benewike, which I believe everyone liked, so I believe Gman thought he had some flexibility.  I don't think Gman wanted to release Norman - that's why he gave him the tag.  But the difference between what Norman wanted and what Gman felt a zone corner should be paid was too much.  When reports started coming out that Norman might hold out, Gman was done with him and he was released.  He then drafted 2 cbs early, and believed these 4 could hold down the fort.

From a business standpoint releasing Norman gave him an extra 12-14 mil plus a 3rd round pick.  Much of the 12-14 would be rolled over to target higher priced free agents and extend core players.  On paper, it appeared he was coming out way ahead. 

Unfortunately, as we know, Boykin and Bene were not up to the task.  Our pass rush was lacking early in the season leaving our secondary extremely vulnerable.  Neither "vet" lasted the season. 

 

 

 

[*FreeFua*]

50 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

he was teaching Norman a lesson...it was like smitty  all over again and i think that's what doomed him...as long as we won he was safe...

lol yeah he sure showed Norman.

Releasing him off a one year deal to go ahead and sign a mega long term deal!

I wish Gettleman would come teach me a lesson 

[heel31ok]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

lol yeah he sure showed Norman.

Releasing him off a one year deal to go ahead and sign a mega long term deal!

I wish Gettleman would come teach me a lesson 

ok here it is... you are free to leave...

[grimesgoat]

On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 9:34 PM, WOW!! said:

Well that's your dumb ass i rather have back to back winning season..

And you dumb motherfuger can't grasp the fact the money you rolled over would have been there just by letting Norman walk..
Everybody other than Addison could have been signed .. And the only reason Addison would be a question mark is they signed him before FA started.. Only thing we got out of recinding Norman was a comp pick and a lost season..

And the dumbest poo is this "always looking to the future" excuse.. What if Cam would have gotten Teddy Bridgewater from all those hit (Campbell almost bent his knee back) he was taking.. How does the future look then??
How does the future look now for Gettelmen??
You can bulid for the future while playing to win in the present .. The great god Gettelman should have figured that out.. And the fact he did it twice while saying after 2014 "he might have done things differently" is the thing that pissed me off..


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Until you grasp a simple understanding of what a rollover is, I can't take you seriously.  Since lil Billy's lemonade stand was over your head, I'm going to try to dumb it down even more.  Its ok if math isn't your thing - the numbers below are nice and round and meant to illustrate.  They are not actual, but might be fairly similar to the real world. But you do have to understand we are not talking about the gain in cap room from paying a player one year and not having to pay him the next.  We are talking about a rollover, which is a different concept entirely.

Scenario 1.  Norman signs the franchise tag (this is your ideal scenario):

Norman Salary: 14 mil.

All other Panthers Salary: 151 mil.

Total Panthers Salary 165 mil.

2016 League Salary Cap 170 mil.

Excess Panther cap: 5 mil. (note - if this is not spent on other free agents it is rolled over into next years Panthers cap.  That's why its called a rollover).

2017 League Salary Cap: increases to 180 mil.

2017 Panthers Cap:185 mil (the league cap + the rollover). 

2017 Panthers Salary prior to Free Agency: 151 mil (everyone makes the same and norman is gone)

2017 room to spend: 34 mil (panther cap minus existing salaries)

 

 

Scenario 2: Norman does not sign the franchise tag and is released (this is what happened):

Norman Salary: 0 mil

All Other Panthers Salary: 151 mil

Total Panthers Salary: 151 mil

League Salary Cap: 170 mil

Excess Panther Cap: 19 mil (hey the rollover is bigger without Norman).

2017 League Salary Cap: increases to 180 mil

2017 Panthers Cap: 199 mil (league cap + rollover).  (yay, we have more money to spend).

2017 Panthers Salary prior to Free Agency: 151 mil (same as above since norman still gone)

2017 room to spend: 48 mil. (yay - we have more money for more guys).

 

Please as questions as appropriate...