Was DG that great?

[top dawg]

59 minutes ago, csx said:

Being a GM is more than drafting. He had some big first round wins beyond that what did he do well?

Hurney arguably put together the best Panthers team in franchise history. I still say but for cheating and ultimately an inexplicable and highly improbable kick out of bounds, we'd have that Lombardi today.

Hurney wasn't all bad, and I think that it's a shame that some noted Huddlers don't see that, but more importantly don't put much stock into the fact that Hurney can learn from past mistakes and everyone come out much better for it. You'd think that J-Rich was the author of a Machiavellian plot against fans that automatically spew negativity based upon some Pavlovian stimuli. 

It was never all that bad until circa the CBA talks, then the bottom fell out with bad personnel and contractural decisions based in large degree upon emotion. It's anyone's right to be skeptical that he has learned a thing or two from past mistakes, just like it's anyone's right to be optimistic. I choose the latter until proven otherwise. 

[KB_fan]

24 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Hurney arguably put together the best Panthers team in franchise history. I still say but for cheating and ultimately an inexplicable and highly improbable kick out of bounds, we'd have that Lombardi today.

Hurney wasn't all bad, and I think that it's a shame that some noted Huddlers don't see that, but more importantly don't put much stock into the fact that Hurney can learn from past mistakes and everyone come out much better for it. You'd think that J-Rich was the author of a Machiavellian plot against fans that automatically spew negativity based upon some Pavlovian stimuli. 

It was never all that bad until circa the CBA talks, then the bottom fell out with bad personnel and contractural decisions based in large degree upon emotion. It's anyone's right to be skeptical that he has learned a thing or two from past mistakes, just like it's anyone's right to be optimistic. I choose the latter until proven otherwise. 

There's truth to this, I think. I'm a bit neutral, as  I wasn't really a fan during the Hurney era.  I started following Panthers a bit in 2011 when Cam was drafted, but not really in any depth until late 2012.

Without doubt the earlier Hurney era 2002 - 2008 beats the late Hurney era.  I guess my main concern is that a bunch of teams in the 2nd half of the 2000's (2006, 2007, 2009) seemed to seriously underperform their potential.  I worry about the lack of depth on Hurney''s rosters.  Gettleman seemed MUCH stronger in bringing in some solid guys for the bottom half of the roster... 

Obviously I know the history with injuries, etc., and maybe the problems were more with Fox than with Hurney in that era...  so, I'm trying to look at the Hurney situation with an open mind.  Hurney has praised quite a lot of what Gettleman has done in the past few years, so hopefully he's learned some things about being analytical, and also that he will rely on his scouts to evaluate talent.  But it's all very weird, and what I find most strange is the timing suggesting JR made a knee-jerk decision based on some disagreement.  If he was fed up with DG he should have fired him before Beane left!

[csx]

37 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Hurney arguably put together the best Panthers team in franchise history. I still say but for cheating and ultimately an inexplicable and highly improbable kick out of bounds, we'd have that Lombardi today.

Hurney wasn't all bad, and I think that it's a shame that some noted Huddlers don't see that, but more importantly don't put much stock into the fact that Hurney can learn from past mistakes and everyone come out much better for it. You'd think that J-Rich was the author of a Machiavellian plot against fans that automatically spew negativity based upon some Pavlovian stimuli. 

It was never all that bad until circa the CBA talks, then the bottom fell out with bad personnel and contractural decisions based in large degree upon emotion. It's anyone's right to be skeptical that he has learned a thing or two from past mistakes, just like it's anyone's right to be optimistic. I choose the latter until proven otherwise. 

I'm being optimistic. But holy poo...its Hurney!  Marty Hurney was brought back. Think about it. 

I wish him well.

[WOW!!]

Being a GM is more than drafting. He had some big first round wins beyond that what did he do well?

9 out of 12 years he was great with the cap..

We hardly ever lost home grown talent without compensation (other than Pep and Moose)..

Best FA signings this organization has had..
Delhome
Stephen Davis
Traded for Olsen
Ricky Phroel

Later round draft picks
Hardy
Norman
Captain
Cj was a 3rd rounder
James Anderson

Do you need more?

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[csx]

Yes. That is not too impressive.

So he fielded a mediocre team for a decade. Great. It was at its best when it had the least input from him and went downhill. The big picture is all that needs to be looked at.

[Car123]

1 hour ago, csx said:

For one he had to cut two of your examples of good decisions in order to make cap room. Lucas and Wahle

Who did he cut?

[Car123]

54 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

There's truth to this, I think. I'm a bit neutral, as  I wasn't really a fan during the Hurney era.  I started following Panthers a bit in 2011 when Cam was drafted, but not really in any depth until late 2012.

Without doubt the earlier Hurney era 2002 - 2008 beats the late Hurney era.  I guess my main concern is that a bunch of teams in the 2nd half of the 2000's (2006, 2007, 2009) seemed to seriously underperform their potential.  I worry about the lack of depth on Hurney''s rosters.  Gettleman seemed MUCH stronger in bringing in some solid guys for the bottom half of the roster... 

Obviously I know the history with injuries, etc., and maybe the problems were more with Fox than with Hurney in that era...  so, I'm trying to look at the Hurney situation with an open mind.  Hurney has praised quite a lot of what Gettleman has done in the past few years, so hopefully he's learned some things about being analytical, and also that he will rely on his scouts to evaluate talent.  But it's all very weird, and what I find most strange is the timing suggesting JR made a knee-jerk decision based on some disagreement.  If he was fed up with DG he should have fired him before Beane left!

 

[WOW!!]

Yes. That is not too impressive.
So he fielded a mediocre team for a decade. Great. It was at its best when it had the least input from him and went downhill. The big picture is all that needs to be looked at.

Really that team went to a superbowl and 2 nfc championship games.. I know you're all about "hate hurney" but don't be a hypocritie asshole ...

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[Cpt slay a ho]

Lol at discrediting hurney for the Cam and Luke pick...., him and DG are about the same, average gm's, we can sit here and water it down by saying it's easier when you're picking top 10 but there's several Ryan leafs and Jamarcus Russell's that disagree


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[grimesgoat]

Had to keep reading to the end just to see if wow ever grasped the concept of the rollover. Holy crap that is embarrassing to our fan base. 

Dumping Norman allowed us to rollover an extra 13 mil to sign Addison, Adams, Munerlyn, peppers, Kalil, Short, etc.  At least 3 of these guys don't get Sig ed without that rollover.  It also gave us the comp pick for Daeshon Hall. We need to wait and see how he develops.  I'd rather have hall and the rest of those free agents than the 2-3 extra wins we might get with Norman. 

We'll be reaping the work of Gettleman for 2-3 years before Hurney makes a mess of things again. 

[top dawg]

47 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Had to keep reading to the end just to see if wow ever grasped the concept of the rollover. Holy crap that is embarrassing to our fan base. 

Dumping Norman allowed us to rollover an extra 13 mil to sign Addison, Adams, Munerlyn, peppers, Kalil, Short, etc.  At least 3 of these guys don't get Sig ed without that rollover.  It also gave us the comp pick for Daeshon Hall. We need to wait and see how he develops.  I'd rather have hall and the rest of those free agents than the 2-3 extra wins we might get with Norman. 

We'll be reaping the work of Gettleman for 2-3 years before Hurney makes a mess of things again. 

Well, we have 17.5 mil at the moment, and still have a few people we can cut to make more, so stop trying to act like rescinding that tag was necessary and good. It wasn't.

[WOW!!]

Had to keep reading to the end just to see if wow ever grasped the concept of the rollover. Holy crap that is embarrassing to our fan base. 
Dumping Norman allowed us to rollover an extra 13 mil to sign Addison, Adams, Munerlyn, peppers, Kalil, Short, etc.  At least 3 of these guys don't get Sig ed without that rollover.  It also gave us the comp pick for Daeshon Hall. We need to wait and see how he develops.  I'd rather have hall and the rest of those free agents than the 2-3 extra wins we might get with Norman. 
We'll be reaping the work of Gettleman for 2-3 years before Hurney makes a mess of things again. 

Well that's your dumb ass i rather have back to back winning season..

And you dumb motherfuger can't grasp the fact the money you rolled over would have been there just by letting Norman walk..
Everybody other than Addison could have been signed .. And the only reason Addison would be a question mark is they signed him before FA started.. Only thing we got out of recinding Norman was a comp pick and a lost season..

And the dumbest poo is this "always looking to the future" excuse.. What if Cam would have gotten Teddy Bridgewater from all those hit (Campbell almost bent his knee back) he was taking.. How does the future look then??
How does the future look now for Gettelmen??
You can bulid for the future while playing to win in the present .. The great god Gettelman should have figured that out.. And the fact he did it twice while saying after 2014 "he might have done things differently" is the thing that pissed me off..


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[mikeholiday]

2 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Had to keep reading to the end just to see if wow ever grasped the concept of the rollover. Holy crap that is embarrassing to our fan base. 

Dumping Norman allowed us to rollover an extra 13 mil to sign Addison, Adams, Munerlyn, peppers, Kalil, Short, etc.  At least 3 of these guys don't get Sig ed without that rollover.  It also gave us the comp pick for Daeshon Hall. We need to wait and see how he develops.  I'd rather have hall and the rest of those free agents than the 2-3 extra wins we might get with Norman. 

We'll be reaping the work of Gettleman for 2-3 years before Hurney makes a mess of things again. 

I think it was dumb Gettleman did what he did with Norman. But I have to agree with you. Ultimately, we sucked last year. Norman wouldn't have changed that. We weren't winning any Superbowls. 

[WOW!!]

Gettelman could jizz in some of your faces and you would be excited about him showing you the future..lol

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