Was DG that great?

[WOW!!]

I'm not a hurney fanboy so let's kill that right there, he was a bad gm his last couple of years, it's not about losing one to two big names and vets, it's the inability to replace them with equal or better production, along with fixing current holes in the team, that wasn't done effectively after 2013 and 2015, however this offseason he did a damn good job, I will give him that
 
 
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True statement..
Biggest knock on Gman he killed momentum for no reason sometime.. He would have had back to back winning seasons if he wouldn't have done the "changing whole position group" thing after a winning seasons..

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Lol at twice dismantling a super bowl team 

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6 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

True statement..
Biggest knock on Gman he killed momentum for no reason sometime.. He would have had back to back winning seasons if he wouldn't have done the "changing whole position group" thing after a winning seasons..

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He kept his eye on the big picture. You guys will realize what we lost soon enough. I just hope the team doesn't suck like the front office does

[Cpt slay a ho]

Lol at gutting the wr core and relying on a rookie wr in 2014, lol at doing the same exact thing to the cb position in 2016.....


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[WOW!!]

He kept his eye on the big picture. You guys will realize what we lost soon enough. I just hope the team doesn't suck like the front office does

You can do both..
Keeping Norman under the tag to help transition to the younger secondary wasn't a hard move..
Finding a way to keep Gross for a year and one of the WR instead of sending Cam out there with Bell and Chandler at Tackle and not 1 wr he ever thrown a pass to.. Got your Qb slaughter and isn't good for the future..

GMan was a good GM but let's not act like he was God of all moves. You can't explain away some of his dumb decision..plain and simple..

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[CPcavedweller]

On 7/19/2017 at 5:43 PM, kungfoodude said:

I think DG's draft record is mediocre. His dumpster diving FA signings have been pretty good, though. Oddly, I would say he has largely whiffed on his higher priced FA's.

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Data to support your theory please, otherwise it comes across as butthurt. 

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2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

You can do both..
Keeping Norman under the tag to help transition to the younger secondary wasn't a hard move..
Finding a way to keep Gross for a year and one of the WR instead of sending Cam out there with Bell and Chandler at Tackle and not 1 wr he ever thrown a pass to.. Got your Qb slaughter and isn't good for the future..

GMan was a good GM but let's not act like he was God of all moves. You can't explain away some of his dumb decision..plain and simple..

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And just as the person you were responding to said, people aren't looking far enough in to the future. If DG was going to go cornerback, he would know that the cornerbacks he selected would need playing time. That wasn't likely to happen with Norman on the team. Furthermore, Norman doesn't play on the offensive line and he doesn't kick game winning field goals. Outside of separate games against the Falcons and Saints, we weren't far from being a 10-6 team. One could suggest that the loss of Harper and subsequent move for Coleman (10 interceptions in 2015) resulted in more issues than the loss of Norman. In zone defense, it's about the guys behind the corners. 

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And just as the person you were responding to said, people aren't looking far enough in to the future. If DG was going to go cornerback, he would know that the cornerbacks he selected would need playing time. That wasn't likely to happen with Norman on the team. Furthermore, Norman doesn't play on the offensive line and he doesn't kick game winning field goals. Outside of separate games against the Falcons and Saints, we weren't far from being a 10-6 team. One could suggest that the loss of Harper and subsequent move for Coleman (10 interceptions in 2015) resulted in more issues than the loss of Norman. In zone defense, it's about the guys behind the corners. 

So you give up a season to give a bunch of rookies playing time???
Wtf..
We play with more than 1 CB every play right??
There is no fuging reason other than Gman's ego.. That you let Norman walk and start a season after a superbowl run with a secondary full of rookies..
How did all that playing time help Byron Bell, and Nate Chandler? How was that planning for the future..


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Data to support your theory please, otherwise it comes across as butthurt. 

http://www.panthers.com/team/history/college-draft-history.html

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On 7/20/2017 at 10:13 AM, Hogmolliesmaht said:

This is the NFL and you have to make do with what you have. There are not enough players to go around for every team to have great starters at every position and even if there were, it would be too expensive for any team to do it year in and year out.

You don't understand... these haters expected DG to have Pro Bowl quality 25 NFL positions and starting NFL quality at every back-up position or he's a failure.

But mostly what they expected was for DG to kiss and caress Steve Smith, Deangelo Williams, and Josh Norman's tender, immature egos.

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There's no way from a football standpoint that letting Norman walk was a smart move, for the future or present, no way in hell you start two rookie cb's when we have arguably the top wr in the league, and two top 10 qb's in our division. Same thing for the wr core in 2014, you make these moves ahead of schedule and not force them like we did last draft by going cb three damn rounds in a row


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3 hours ago, WOW!! said:

You can do both..
Keeping Norman under the tag to help transition to the younger secondary wasn't a hard move..

Well, except for the fact that by rescinding Norman's tag we saved 14+ million in cap space which we rolled over to this season, and VOILA we had our most active free agency ever.   Matt Kalil, Peppers, Munnerlyn, Mike Adams....  Plus we extended KK.  Don't know how we could have done all this if we hadn't saved that money.  Plus the comp pick we got for JNo did a lot to strengthen our draft position.

People keep acting like we gave up JNo for nothing (in fact the latest Observer article by Person & Fowler on the DG firing says just that.)  But in reality there were things we gained by letting him go, both in the short term, and in the long term.  However, I certainly don't deny that it was an ugly, brutal transition and playing 2 rookie CBs was not a good situation.  Maybe Dave was hoping Peanut would recover enough to come back instead of retiring?  IIRC Peanut didn't announce his retirement until July?

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There's no way from a football standpoint that letting Norman walk was a smart move, for the future or present, no way in hell you start two rookie cb's when we have arguably the top wr in the league, and two top 10 qb's in our division. Same thing for the wr core in 2014, you make these moves ahead of schedule and not force them like we did last draft by going cb three damn rounds in a row


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A bunch of fuging hypocrites.. They have convince themseleves that saying fug 2016 season was a great move..

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Well, except for the fact that by rescinding Norman's tag we saved 14+ million in cap space which we rolled over to this season, and VOILA we had our most active free agency ever.   Matt Kalil, Peppers, Munnerlyn, Mike Adams....  Plus we extended KK.  Don't know how we could have done all this if we hadn't saved that money.  Plus the comp pick we got for JNo did a lot to strengthen our draft position.
People keep acting like we gave up JNo for nothing (in fact the latest Observer article by Person & Fowler on the DG firing says just that.)  But in reality there were things we gained by letting him go, both in the short term, and in the long term.  However, I certainly don't deny that it was an ugly, brutal transition and playing 2 rookie CBs was not a good situation.  Maybe Dave was hoping Peanut would recover enough to come back instead of retiring?  IIRC Peanut didn't announce his retirement until July?

What did he do with the money.??
Did he improve the Oline that got your QB killed in the superbowl??
Did he bring in another vet secondary player to help transition the rookies??
Did he add anothet pass rusher or offensive weapon??
I'm waiting what did he do with those savings that helped us 2016??

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