Was DG that great?

[Jangler]

3 minutes ago, Smithers said:

I am not defending Hurney...my post never even mentioned him.  Hurney had some awful drafts.  and awful FA pickups.  He also had some good ones.  But my post was simply in reaction to the comment that DG loaded this roster top to bottom with talent, which is not true.  

the Hurnby comment wasn't so much at you.. 

 

[Smithers]

Just now, Jangler said:

the Hurnby comment wasn't so much at you.. 

 

My mistake

[Jangler]

2 minutes ago, Smithers said:

My mistake

 

[Smithers]

Just now, Jangler said:

 

bahahah...I am getting back to work before I lose my mind.  It's bad when your stress during the work day comes from the Huddle.

[TbTeRRoR]

1 hour ago, Jangler said:

really? a man who didn't call a play, play a down, you blame him for 6-10?

 

He also did not address our OL issues while simultaneously killing our  secondary .   After the superbowl disaster OL should have been #1 concern  assuming Jno was retained....... but look  what happened. And to more directly address your comment:  Play  callers call plays.  Players are supposed to execute plays.  GMs  put the players on the team to execute those plays.   Cam getting smashed and our corners being weak for most, not all, of the year is not entirely the fault of our play callers.

[WOW!!]

DG was good but he made mistakes whether some ppl admit it or not..

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[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, Smithers said:

Great teams build through the draft.  Plenty of tackles have been drafted the past 4 years that could have done better than Remmers, not too mention our backups.  How we went several years without drafting a tackle to develop is crazy.  The one position you cannot afford to completely ignore other than QB is those protecting your QB.  

You do realize that he can only draft who is available when he picks right? Until this last draft, we have been drafting pretty late in the 1st round when all the really good tackles were gone already. Any idiot can say he should have draft a tackle when they aren't accountable for it. Besides that, we were actually in pretty good shape before Oher went down.  When you lose your starting LT and your #1 and #2 centers and end up with a RG playing RT at the end of the season because you're first two guys were either hurt or had to change positions, you're pretty much screwed not matter who you picked in the draft.

[xav8tor]

A  GM manages the roster, which, by definition, means people. He may have been good in the literal sense (roster), but he was serially horrid in the "people" aspect. A bull in a china shop always gets where he wants to go, but he breaks a ton of valuable things along the way, not to mention leaves poo all over the place. It may not be THE only reason, but my money says it's one of them.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 minute ago, xav8tor said:

A  GM manages the roster, which, by definition, means people. He may have been good in the literal sense (roster), but he was serially horrid in the "people" aspect. A bull in a china shop always gets where he wants to go, but he breaks a ton of valuable things along the way, not to mention leaves poo all over the place. It may not be THE only reason, but my money says it's one of them.

OK but where is the evidence that he was horrible with people? Not one single current player has complained about Gettleman and from all that we know, not even the coaching staff knew this was coming.

[xav8tor]

32 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

OK but where is the evidence that he was horrible with people? Not one single current player has complained about Gettleman and from all that we know, not even the coaching staff knew this was coming.

A really skilled people person could have managed to release even multiple divas without the public fallout we've repeatedly seen. No one appears, from what is known publicly, to have seen the firing coming, especially the timing, but to think a heavy handed brusque NYC FU attitude will consistently be tolerated by a man apparently steeped in southern gentleman like tradition and tenants of expected behavior is naive. Truthfully, at this point, only one man knows the actual reason(s). I'll double down on my take as being, at minmium, a factor.

[heel31ok]

4 hours ago, Zaximus said:

Timing.   It's all in the timing and the timing was terrible for this firing.   You do this months ago, not days before training camp.    I think he deserved another year, but if you're going to fire him, do it right, instead this is just an emotional knee-jerk from JR.  

Agreed...timing certainly not the best...

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

DG was good but he made mistakes whether some ppl admit it or not..

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Mistakes we're trending up...

[Hogmolliesmaht]

6 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

A really skilled people person could have managed to release even multiple divas without the public fallout we've repeatedly seen. No one appears, from what is known publicly, to have seen the firing coming, especially the timing, but to think a heavy handed brusque NYC FU attitude will consistently be tolerated by a man apparently steeped in southern gentleman like tradition and tenants of expected behavior is naive. Truthfully, at this point, only one man knows the actual reason(s). I'll double down on my take as being, at minmium, a factor.

What public fallout? I was fine with letting Smitty go and Josh Norman had plenty of time to sign his franchise tag before Gettleman let him go. Besides that, he's a hot head and it was pretty clear that he was a risk for the future. There are disgruntled former players all over the NFL who get extremely motivated to play their former teams. That's just life in the NFL.

[xav8tor]

27 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

What public fallout? I was fine with letting Smitty go and Josh Norman had plenty of time to sign his franchise tag before Gettleman let him go. Besides that, he's a hot head and it was pretty clear that he was a risk for the future. There are disgruntled former players all over the NFL who get extremely motivated to play their former teams. That's just life in the NFL.

Your opinion of Gettleman in this instance, and mine, are irrelevant, and that is the basis of my contention. More than once, Gettleman's actions, or more accurately, the manner in which he carried them out, brought substantial, if not significant, negative publicity to the franchise. Fact of life, right or wrong, isn't all that matters. Evidently, his boss saw things he did not like. Surely, this was discussed. It happened again. He was likely warned. Then, it happened again. Three strikes, you're out, no matter what game or series you're in. Any personna like Gettleman's can rub some people the wrong way. Trust me, this I know, by simply looking in the mirror in years gone by. No doubt Richardson has, at times, been one ruthless SOB in his lifetime. Hard to get where he did without this being true. However, from what can be seen publicly, that's not his preferred MO. That potentially makes for a volatile mixture, which, at some point, can explode. If this isn't a factor, since we are all speculating, what's a more likely scenario?