Thomas Davis At BoA Stadium W/ CMC, Shaq, Short, & CJ

[Darvinsun]

Has Davis ever been paid his worth? Can anyone answer this? He is half the reason why we can not play luke and still have a decent defense..Has he ever bejen paid for his play? If no i have no complaints!

[luke nukem]

13 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Has Davis ever been paid his worth? Can anyone answer this? He is half the reason why we can not play luke and still have a decent defense..Has he ever bejen paid for his play? If i have no complaints!

I think a 5 year 56 million dollar deal after 2 ACL injuries was more than enough to cover his value and have him stay loyal no matter what.

[ncmonzta]

I don't mind giving Olsen a big payday but Davis really shouldn't be getting a hell of alot at his age . 

Both of them should've played out there contracts. Olsen is just as guilty as Davis. They'll both be on the decline within 2 years

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[NanuqoftheNorth]

19 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

There were a few of us.  You can dig up the Stew and DWill extension threads if you want to point and laugh at some posters.

What's funny, almost all cheered on these terrible contracts and lauded Hurney...hell even called him a cap genius....then as soon as we couldn't surround Cam with talent, they forgot all about those awful extensions.

Exactly.  

It was as mind boggling to watch that contract fiasco unfold back then as it is now to see people cheering Gettleman's departure and Hurney's return.

"Don't worry, Hurney is a cap guru."

Man that still pisses me off.

[Darvinsun]

3 minutes ago, luke nukem said:

I think a 5 year 56 million dollar deal after 2 ACL injuries was more than enough to cover his value and have him stay loyal no matter what.

He renegociated his contract within that time did he not? And he has performed to meet that and more.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

3 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Exactly.  

It was as mind boggling to watch that contract fiasco unfold back then as it is now to see people cheering Gettleman's departure and Hurney's return.

"Don't worry, Hurney is a cap guru."

Man that still pisses me off.

I'm pretty sure that Panthers had a guy who actually did nothing but the salary cap back then. I can't remember his name, but it wasn't Hurney.

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Exactly.  

It was as mind boggling to watch that contract fiasco unfold back then as it is now to see people cheering Gettleman's departure and Hurney's return.

"Don't worry, Hurney is a cap guru."

Man that still pisses me off.

Fans that don't follow, and understand the cap are some of the worst fans on this message board.

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

6 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

I'm pretty sure that Panthers had a guy who actually did nothing but the salary cap back then. I can't remember his name, but it wasn't Hurney.

While true, we're now supposed to give Hurney yet another pass for his failure as a GM because he doesn't understand the ramifications of bloated contracts?

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Ok, so now we're supposed to give Hurney yet another pass for his failure as a GM because he doesn't understand the ramifications of bloated contracts?

This my call on this stuff as well. 

 

You are the GM?  It's your bag of cookies...all the way.  

 

If JR did indeed force him to offer those awful contracts, he should have done what any good GM would have done....taken the DG route.

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

Anything beyond a 2 year five million deal and we overpaid


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That is about what it should be....but I don't think for a second that it will be that small, or short.

[DWill]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

JR is. Hurney's just the guy to put the final touches on it and sign off on the deal. Honestly, given what has transpired in the last two days, I have to wonder if all the ire directed at Hurney in the past for the big deals to aging vets was deserved or not. I'm thinking there's a very good chance that those were never his decisions to begin with. He could either ink those deals or get fired. Hurney was willing to be the yes man, Gettleman wasn't.

This. Unfortunately this is looking more and more like the correct answer and the issue with the consistency of this franchise since day one. Never thought I would say this but I'm now looking forward to the day JR is no longer our owner. 

[Proudiddy]

6 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Hurney signed the core players of a 2-14 team to cap busting long term contracts, no doubt at JR's direction.

And that is in a nutshell the difference between Hurney and Gettleman.

One is a spineless yes man willing to destroy a team's future to retain his position within the organization.

The other, Gettleman, understood playing hardball during contract negotiations was part of the job description.  He wasn't about to undermine all the hard work he had done getting his organization back on its feet to placate an owner more interested in being adored than winning championships. 

Gettleman was fired for doing the job he was hired to do.  

Hurney was rehired not so much because he was a good GM, because he wasn't, but because he is someone who happens to excel at olympic level ass kissing.  

I respect you as a poster, Nanuq...  that being said, this is where I think DG has earned a lot of undue credit.  You can play hardball without being an asshole and making national headlines out of contract negotiations.  You can win in negotiating without making everyone that loses feel like it's become a personal grudge for the rest of your lives.  You can stand your ground without alienating, belittling, and embarrassing the best player in your franchise's history to the point that he comes back and embarrasses your team when he faces you next, and then STILL refuses to retire with your organization for as long as you (DG) are still employed there, even 3 years after.  TBH, that is a sore spot for me.  Smitty's legacy is HERE.  To see the national recognition he started getting, namely the overdue HOF talk, once he left, was insulting.

The Norman fiasco was just as bad.  But, then what made it worse was the gloating DG did to the media afterwards, as if he was proud of it.  It was idiotic.  You don't rescind the franchise tag from a guy who wants to be here, and happens to be the best at his position on the market that year.  Those are two big losses we never get to re-do.  And they were handled horribly.  They made us have to scramble to recover from their losses, and in both cases, they directly resulted in losses because of weaknesses at those positions.

I'm not here to glorify Hurney, nor am I celebrating his re-hire.  But, even if it is unpopular, I feel like some wrongs have been righted in DG's dismissal that couldn't have been fixed otherwise, and for those reasons, it was justified.  I don't agree with the timing of it, but IMO, it was overdue.  And as I've stated, I also think this was his absolute best offseason, both in the draft and FA, which made the timing all the more awkward.  But, I also think that illustrates that he had been on JR's radar for awhile.

In all honesty, I have to defer to Montsta on the future of the GM position - I'm hoping for some happy medium between our previous two GMs to take the permanent job - a GM who isn't such an abrasive, hardass and one who isn't a complete baby pushover, all while having a thorough scouting background.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

5 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

While true, we're now supposed to give Hurney yet another pass for his failure as a GM because he doesn't understand the ramifications of bloated contracts?

You misunderstood me. I don't give Hurney a pass for anything. I don't want him here even on an interim basis. I've seen this movie already and it's not good.

[RoaringRiot]

Good lord @Saca312 that's the most misleading title ever. And it took until page 4 before anyone noticed