Interesting IG post from Tolbert re: Olsen and TD contracts

[Mr. Scot]

No NFL organization can succeed without someone being willing to play "bad cop".

[Thorrez]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Honesty and being rude and abrasive aren't the same. Tell your wife or girlfriend they are fat and cloak yourself behind the premise of being honest and tell me how that works 

Yeah, lets put you opinion of a persons body in a personal relationship on par with the performance of an employee as you are firing them. 

If you get fired do you really want a "we have grown apart" answer and not a your performance is not go enough? While it sucks to hear, you will come out better if you listen and tries to improve. 

The way Tolbert played last year, it is time to realize it is over and enjoy the money has had before he suffers a life altering concussion while losing a yard on third and short. 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

All of this angst and doom and gloom are way overblown. Hurney and Gettleman were at opposite ends of the spectrum. There is a lot of room for someone in the middle who can manage the money and be respectful and professional in their management of personnel. In other words you can be fiscally responsible without being a dick.

Ban for attempting to be the voice of reason and engaging in rational thought.

please let me return to the fetal position as the sky continues to fall. 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

2 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

The next GM will do what JR wants AND suffer the same fate. 

Fixed it for you.  We already went down that road with Hurney.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

fuging overgrown crybaby millionaires are mad cuz they didn't get their bottoms patted on the way out the door.

[Anybodyhome]

1 minute ago, thebigcat said:

My uncle worked in Corporate America for a VERY long time. He moved up the ranks, kept his head low, did everything by the book and exceeded all of the benchmarks listed for him. Suddenly, out of the blue before retirement came around, they let him go, no thought process, no good bye, was just told unceremoniously to immediately pack up his stuff and leave the building, while some middle management troll just hovered over him like he was some kind of thief during him packing up his office. 

 

When you want to fire someone, you just put them out of their misery, no sugar coating, no wishy/washy. Thanks, your services are no longer needed then have them pack up and leave.

So, because an inept management team incapable of showing the least bit of respect and appreciation fired your uncle as though he were a part-time, seasonal, unreliable teenager; that means everyone should be fired similarly?

C'mon, man, you're better than that.  

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Thorrez said:

Yeah, lets put you opinion of a persons body in a personal relationship on par with the performance of an employee as you are firing them. 

If you get fired do you really want a "we have grown apart" answer and not a your performance is not go enough? While it sucks to hear, you will come out better if you listen and tries to improve. 

The way Tolbert played last year, it is time to realize it is over and enjoy the money has had before he suffers a life altering concussion while losing a yard on third and short. 

You miss the point which is that in all your dealings both personal and business there is a relationship aspect which needs to be considered. And you can be honest but do it in a way which is respectful and considerate at the same time. Do you have to be that way? No but don't be surprised if you are disliked and disrespected. Don't care? Fine but expect everyone to wait to see you fall and relish in your failures. Or you can be honest and respectful in your dealings and people will help and support you. Once again, you can be honest and tough without being a dick.

So you can say to Tolbert that we appreciate your help and support but are going a different direction with younger guys without saying you have deteriorated and aren't any good anymore. 

[panthers55]

21 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

My uncle worked in Corporate America for a VERY long time. He moved up the ranks, kept his head low, did everything by the book and exceeded all of the benchmarks listed for him. Suddenly, out of the blue before retirement came around, they let him go, no thought process, no good bye, was just told unceremoniously to immediately pack up his stuff and leave the building, while some middle management troll just hovered over him like he was some kind of thief during him packing up his office. 

 

When you want to fire someone, you just put them out of their misery, no sugar coating, no wishy/washy. Thanks, your services are no longer needed then have them pack up and leave.

So you point out how your uncle got screwed by corporate America through no fault of his own and then advocate that this is the right way to do business. Let's talk after you get screwed over and fired for no reason or for a discriminatory reason like age in the case of your uncle or race or religion.  Try this one on....How about before you fire someone you tell them what they doing wrong and give them a chance to rectify it and fix the problem. Perhaps you can try to work with them to actually improve their performance and mold them into what you need. If they refuse or can't meet the expectation,  you can always fire them with a clear conscience that you did what you could to help them.

Novel concept,.  I know .... 

[Happy Panther]

4 hours ago, Castavar said:

I'm getting really fuggin sick and tired of these spoiled ass players coming out and chiming in. Notice how most of the players throwing shots at Gettleman are the ones who were past their prime and were mad that Gettleman didn't pull a Hurney and extend their washed up asses. 

Didn't Smith and D-Will play great for their teams after being let go? Josh Norman is obviously in his prime.

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, KSpan said:

"Now it looks like everyone's getting what they wanted.

That's how all the big, successful teams do it.

Give everyone what they want when they want it.

;)

[AggieLean]

42 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

My uncle worked in Corporate America for a VERY long time. He moved up the ranks, kept his head low, did everything by the book and exceeded all of the benchmarks listed for him. Suddenly, out of the blue before retirement came around, they let him go, no thought process, no good bye, was just told unceremoniously to immediately pack up his stuff and leave the building, while some middle management troll just hovered over him like he was some kind of thief during him packing up his office. 

 

When you want to fire someone, you just put them out of their misery, no sugar coating, no wishy/washy. Thanks, your services are no longer needed then have them pack up and leave.

Sucks your uncle got done like that, but that's not how it goes in all corporate America. Some years ago, my fiancé was essentially fired or laid off. She had senior management come to her, explain the situation and she says throughout the whole ordeal they were respectful. She was not just "put out of my misery." What your uncle went through might've been the norm years ago, but it's not that way now..

[tiger7_88]

38 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

So, because an inept management team incapable of showing the least bit of respect and appreciation fired your uncle as though he were a part-time, seasonal, unreliable teenager; that means everyone should be fired similarly?

C'mon, man, you're better than that.  

I guess after you retired you went permanent retirement, because if you'd ever spent a single day in modern corporate America, you'd know what bigcat described was not an unusual "bad management" situation but the common treatment of fired/separated employees these days.

It became so common at my company (a major financial services technology provider) we gave it the nickname "the perp walk".  They give you a box, about 10 or 15 minutes to take your personal items from your desk, never take their eyes off of you, then they escort you out the door.  And it doesn't matter whether you'd been their 1 month or 20 years.

[Anybodyhome]

6 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I guess after you retired you went permanent retirement, because if you'd ever spent a single day in modern corporate America, you'd know what bigcat described was not an unusual "bad management" situation but the common treatment of fired/separated employees these days.

It became so common at my company (a major financial services technology provider) we gave it the nickname "the perp walk".  They give you a box, about 10 or 15 minutes to take your personal items from your desk, never take their eyes off of you, then they escort you out the door.  And it doesn't matter whether you'd been their 1 month or 20 years.

Sorry, I retired for my second time with one of the largest retailers in the country and they threw me a fugging party. And during that career I had to let more than one person go and, unless it was a "for cause" firing, I always treated them with the utmost respect and gratitude I would expect from any human being.

Oh, and I'm into my third career now and already was put in a position to let somone go or convince him to put in his retirement papers after 25 years. He chose retirement and had a nice gathering of employees at his party.

Doesn't matter what the situation, the decision or otherwise- treat people with some dignity because at the end of the day, there's no one looking in the mirror at you but yourself.